Tuesday, December 11, 2007

Robin Steele, Factory-Direct

A reader named "Factory" recently left a comment. Factory is a 37 year old father of 2 girls. He says he "had it all taken away, with pressure from everywhere to 'just give up'. I drove myself to financial ruin just to stay near my kids. I lost it all, because my wife wanted a bigger wallet to marry. Whatever, she can do so if she wants. I just don't have to set myself up for the same shit again, condescension notwithstanding."

Factory said:

...my understanding is you call yourself an MRA these days, if so it's
fairly obvious you do so to try and discredit the people who are actually trying to correct an injustice or two. That makes you a bad person in my
books...


My response: "Sometimes what seems obvious is actually the opposite of the truth.

"I am really sorry to hear what you've gone through. I have people I care about very much in the same situation. Life is hard enough to deal with - trying to make a living, getting old, dealing with the deaths of those you love - without the added pressure that we put each other through. The court system and public perception put men - especially fathers - at an unfair disadvantage. I have seen this firsthand and it has made me an advocate for men's rights.

"Make no mistake: I don't call myself a men's rights activist, I am a Men's Rights Activist. And while I haven't directly suffered the injustices you have, I will submit to you that I have more right to that title than more than half of those posting on men's blogs and forums, and here's why:

"I don't want you to give up.

"I want you to believe that you can handle it. I want you to know that change is possible. I want you to know that however tough it is right now, it will be worth it. Hate and anger can't save you but love and faith can: the love you have for your daughters, the faith that no matter how many lies or barriers are put up, your fatherly love will reach them and some day they will thank you for persevering.

"Some day they will visit you and your grandchildren will jump out of the car, come running to you, and you will know it was all worth it.

"Now all will scream that this is more Robin Steele Feminazi lies, deception, etc. But if you continue to listen to what I actually say, I am not being inconsistent at all. I am an advocate for real change. I believe that many of your comrades here are actually, deep down, against change.

"I believe the attitudes expressed on the blogs and forums are the greatest barriers to correcting the anti-male court system that there is. Why? Because theirs is a bias AGAINST action. They are content to whine and complain - which is fine at first - but they never take it any farther. They create the illusion of some huge feminist stranglehold that they can't defeat. They dream of some violent, glorious uprising that somehow is not their responsibility to organize. It's ludicrous and delusional, but it gives them an excuse to remain victims and justifies their inaction.

"Where do they leave you, Factory? How do you feel after the exhilaration of their comaraderie? My guess is they may help you feel understood, but they don't make you feel empowered, or hopeful. My guess is participation in those discussions leads to more despair.

"I invite you to read my post called the Eloquence of Cowardice. Paul Parmenter is an eloquent and talented writer. But his mockery of my ideas for action reveal a sad and defeatist attitude that permeates many of these attitudes: that if men truly try to create change, they will probably fail and be humiliated once again. He is justifying inaction, staying anonymous and complaining to each other where it's safe.

"Sometimes those who seem to be obviously championing your cause are actually the saboteurs of progress. Perhaps the one who is called the Enemy is the one who is sounding the battle call, and trying to wake the sleeping troops. Now that you've read my viewpoint, you can be the judge.

"Hang in there, Factory. your daughters need you. Robin Steele"

26 comments:

Luke Skywalker said...

Robin Steele, you are lying. About everything.

And I have a post that proves you are lying.


Robin Steele Lied About Everything

Robin Steele said...

Luke: You are a cute and silly boy. I just want to tousle your hair and send you out to play with the other kids 'til I call you for dinner - with a stern reminder to stay away from the rundown shack of that creepy Masculist Man.

As with all little kids, their eagerness to play poker with the grownups is cute, even endearing at first. If they persist, they get annoying and eventually the adults are forced to crush them with a couple of hands, take their chips and send them to bed.

While I'm flattered with the attention, you're setting yourself up to look foolish with your To Catch a Robin Steele expose. I didn't write what you say I did... and no one really cares anyway.

Factory said...

It's easy to deride someone for a defeatist attitude when you haven't suffered a lifetime of suppression. This is a basic fact that escapes every single woman I know, universally. I don't hold it against them, because without experiencing it, one can't understand. I'm sure there are things that women can say about men as well.

Robin, men ARE standing up for themselves. I am. I know lots that are. Know what we're doing? Taking the attitude of "screw it, I'm gonna have fun, get what I want, and if it hurts the women...tough, I don't give a shit." Like it or not, that's fast becoming the attitude of men. Disgusting eh? (I am Canadian, can you tell?)

Sure it is, but it's understandable when you consider the fact that this is simply the same attitude women have had with men for 2 generations at least. We're merely mimicking the attitude women have, which is in itself a cartoonish replica of what women THINK men think like.

In this day and age, it's impossible to meet the expectations of women. I'll use myself as example, mostly because I really don't care if I get humiliated, it pales compared to what I've been through.

I'm 37, I have an IQ of 165 (measured when 120 was considered genius level), I'm an artist - both in nature as well as (until recently) by trade (I have had my photography published internationally, and had major multinational corporations as clients), I am gentle and considerate, I haven't been in a fight since I was 20, I'm attractive (I guess), I am knowledgeable in enough areas to carry on a conversation about theoretical physics, and alternate theories of time and space, as well as something so prosaic as cars. I can dissect the fashion sense of the people around me faster than 90% of the women I know. I can colour co-ordinate better than most, I'm fit and in good health. I'm a hard worker and always put others above me, a team player at work with a singular drive to succeed (my family consists of CEO's and Test Pilots, although I belong to the "black sheep" wing). I am well travelled (within Canada), have a few friends that are minor celebrities, and love to have a good time. I'm very friendly, and can establish rapport quickly with anyone (I'm in sales now). I'm particularly good at the sex act, and in the last few years, every woman I have slept with has complimented me with phrases like "never thought they would ever have sex that good". I'm also above average in size in that dept.

But.....


I'm short (about 5'7"), and I'm slim, and I don't make a lot of money. I'm also twisted out of shape as far as relationships go, both from my experience as a child of divorce and my own divorce. My father committed suicide when I was 20, but I hadn't seen him since I was 13 and even then it was only half a day, the time prior to that was when I was 9. There are issues attached to that.

There are no shortage of issues people have to deal with, but honestly, how fuckin perfect does a guy have to be? Did I deserve to have my kids taken away because I was "no fun anymore"? Is it somehow a ringing endorsement of women that most prioritize cash over companionship? My life is FULL of women dying to cheat on thier S/O with me, with NO guilt at all.

How the fuck am I supposed to respect them? Seriously.

Take what you will from this post. I might be a blowhard, self-aggrandizing prick. In that case, go ahead and discount what I say to bragging or somesuch. Or you could accept what I say as true (though likely not the whole truth - who wants to admit ALL the bad stuff, or the good for that matter). So if a good looking, smart, fit, sexually accomplished, nice, fun guy isn't good enough ....who is?

Robin Steele said...

Factory: I wasn't trying to deride you for a defeatist attitude and I apologize if it came off as such. I don't think you came across as a blowhard or a self-aggrandizing prick. You sound like an interesting, talented guy with a lot to offer the right woman. This might sound trite, but the right woman is out there.
I think there's a real danger in all these generalities about men this, women that. Women didn't just start doing shitty things two decades ago, and Men didn't just start cheating recently by "mimicing" women. They've both been doing shitty things since time began.
I also think there's a danger in projecting your rejection by one woman onto the entire gender, or even onto yourself. It's one woman. If you were good to her and she can't appreciate you, that's her loss.
Believe me, more women care about being loved than money, despite what the mass media depicts. But I believe you've got to like yourself to be attractive to others. Remember that rich assholes get lots of women, but not the women worth having.

One suggestion I'd make is not to mention "celibacy" or sex in small talk. The girl asked you if you were married or had a girlfriend, not whether you were having sex. Celibacy's a sex thing that goes in the Too Much Info category - at least in my opinion.

Lighten up and have some fun the way you want to. Be the person you want to be, not who you think others want you to be and the right woman will seek you out. Height's not a big deal if you don't let it be. Lots of women were married to assholes the first time around and finding a nice guy is more important to them now.

Factory said...

While I am touched by your concern that I keep trying (metaphorically or otherwise), I fear you have the wrong idea about the point of my post. That's my fault entirely, as I tend to post like a conversation, and ramble a fair bit (I know, you're shocked).

What I was getting at is that on balance I think I'm a fairly decent "catch" as it were, and others agree. But when it comes right down to it, the majority of the time, a big wallet wins out over everything.

What you have to keep in mind is that I have absolutely no shortage of attention from women of all ages. I'm not pining for some lost love or other nonsense. What I'm telling you is that single, stay at home moms who live entirely off the backs of others actually have the gall to pass judgement on men based on their income. What I'm telling you is that women tend to have a "what have you done for me lately" attitude.

I agree it's nothing new. What IS new is the enabling of said behaviour by society. And the punishment of those that fail to live up to the unrealistic expectations. The suggestion of eventually finding "the one" is ridiculous. Even if she fell in my lap right now I'd never marry her, or move in with her, or have kids with her. Not under the current legal system, not with these attitudes prevalent.

Like everyone else I'm sure, I've been repeatedly screwed over by people who protested they would "never do that". I bet everyone reading this can say the same thing.

Who the hell would believe anyone saying that? Who can take the financial and emotional risk? I get plenty of action thanks, from all the women cheating on their boyfriends as well as single girls with no time for relationships. I have buddies I hang out with, and a couple long term FWB's....I'm pretty well set.

The only kicker is I would love to be able to get into a family with no fear of losing it at a whim...same with most men.

Suggesting someone throw caution to the wind, and risk their entire future on the good graces of one person, well...that's lunacy.

As to the conversation and TMI thing...well, sorry, but that was exactly what she was trying to find out...and so were a couple of the others...am I single?

Whether I choose to say simply "yes" or not, I had to make a statement that I'm single on purpose and not intending to hit on any of them. The office is rife with inter office dating, the woman making the google eyes and getting personal is also dating a man that works in my department. All around a bad trap to fall into, stating I am celibate will likely both pique their interest even more as well as give me a way to avoid being labelled "gay", or worse, the victim of a whisper campaign from a rebuffed suitoress(is that even a word?). Clearly you were never in high school? That sort of thing plagues me at jobs...I'm still trying to work out a way to avoid the attention, but what do you do?

As to the height issue, it's not ME that has the problem with it. :) Not to worry though, there's a lot of short women too. And as for the married to asshole, now want a nice guy...well, really what it boils down to is that I'm done being Captain Save-a-Ho. I don't really care if she's "had her fun" and is "now looking to settle down". I'm just starting to have my fun, women in their 20's just get more interested when I tell them how old I am, and I'm cool with that.

Sort of makes me laugh actually, when a bitter single woman in her 40's tells me I need to get married or I'll never amount to much. Getting married was what destroyed me financially, and nearly emotionally as well. Again, I'm sure I'm not alone in that.

Anonymous said...

Robin Steele

Since you now portray yourself as an MRA what are your current views of IMBRA?

Robin Steele said...

Factory said: Sort of makes me laugh actually, when a bitter single woman in her 40's tells me I need to get married...
It is funny. There's so much of that simplistic thinking from both sides, isn't there? I think that's one of the problems. Respectfully, aren't you doing the same thing when you you tell me, a woman, what's important to women? You say "the majority of the time, a big wallet wins out over everything." And women are looking for Mr. "Save-A-Ho" and judge men on what they can buy for them. Yet when if I mention that I am financially independent and earn enough so that it doesn't matter to me how much my partner makes, I would get accused of being a feminist bitch who claims she doesn't need a man.
For every one of those office affairs you allude to there is a participant from each gender, both violating God's laws and their own vows. Yet men will condemn cheating wives and and women will condemn cheating husbands as if one side is somehow more responsible than the other.
Harmony can't be achieved until both sides recognize that they are different, yet one, like Yin & Yang. There are plenty of men who judge women solely on their age and appearance and there are plenty of women who judge men on their status and bank balance. I believe that the important thing is not to maintain the divisiveness between gender, but focus instead on combatting unfairness, superficiality and injustice. Let's promote fixing the court system because it's unfair, not because women are superficial or greedy or whatever.

Factory: I understand you're angry and hurt, which is understandable. But everything doesn't boil down to men/good vs. women/bad and while you have many admirable points you should be realistic about what you are bringing on yourself.

Perhaps "celibate" means something different in Canada, but my understanding is that it means one deliberately refrains from having sexual intercourse (and has for a period of time).

If someone were to ask: "How often do you have sex?" telling them you're celibate might be appropriate.

If someone asks "Are you single," and the person answers "I'm celibate," the WTF? alarm starts to sound.

Wouldn't you think it odd if you asked a woman "Are you single?" and she answered "I'm having sex about once per week, currently, down from 3X per week in the summer months, but when balanced with the dreadful first quarter I think YTD comes in about 1.6X weekly average."

You would probably think the person was a little "creepy" if they gave you their sexual frequency when all you were asking for was Yes or No.
You may be creating your own self-fulfilling prophecy by overthinking other people's perceptions of you.

Anonymous said...

Friends, it's over.

Factory said...

I don't know if you're deliberately misinterpreting what I'm saying or if my writing style and your manner of comprehension don't match up, but maybe putting things more directly would help...

I have no issues getting attention, and in fact outright demands of monogamy from women. When I refer to the wallet thing, what I am referring to is my life experience, over and over, of women either telling me they have to find a guy to settle down with, even though they like their current BF, because he doesn't make enough, or just watching them do it...no exceptions. I have had several women tell me they wouldn't give the time of day to a guy that won't buy them dinner at least...(er, to be fair, I usually got the phone call after the date for the sex...). Hell, it's common knowledge women look for a "good provider", it's silly to argue otherwise. I've had LOTS of long term girlfriends as well as short term friends that have made a LOT more than me. Remember, I was an artist by trade...they all waited until a richer guy came along, and several flat out said the reason why they "switched men" is because of the cash factor, but they'd be thrilled to keep sleeping with me. This happens routinely...I'm not making it up.

No, any anger you may sense is because I am nearing the end of my family-siring years, and still have no family to come home to. It has NOTHING to do with whether or not I can find the "right girl"....get that notion out of your head right now....take your time, I can wait.....

Done?

Ok, what I object to, what is the SOLE reason why I am not married right now, is the ease with which men are discarded in society. Legally speaking we have no rights to choose to be a parent, and now in some countries it's openly admitted in court decisions that men have no parental rights either. We are branded abusers and deadbeats routinely everywhere we look. We are viewed as, and treated as if we were, simply walking penis/ATM cards. Otherwise, we're threatening.

Fine, I can live with that. I'm also sure there's a lot of evidence to suggest men are like this too. The point you continually fail to see, even when I explicitly state it, over and over, ad infinitum, is that while men do a lot of these things too, it's 100% totally irrelevant to my argument. People are shitheads, and will screw you over for a nickle in most cases....this I know from years in retail sales (anyone else who worked it knows what I'm talking about). The sex of the person is immaterial. For what it's worth, "afraid of successful women" doesn't happen very often. It's a rationalization at best, an outright lie at worst. Women resent supporting their men in general, it's changing slowly, but by and large they still do. Get over the need for statistics for a second and just look around you, use your own eyes instead of a textbook and studies. What do you see? A healthy society?

Giving one sex carte blanche and the other all the ramifications of said behaviour has GOT to stop, or pet stores better start breeding a LOT of cats...I'm not kidding.

As to the celibacy thing (although I have no idea why you seem to care so much about it), you have to know me and my sense of humour. As for what's "appropriate" behaviour...well, I've had enough of people telling me what I'm allowed to do and say, for one. But second, my comment had exactly the effect I was looking for...



As to the "Robin Steele Exposed" thing...well, I always assumed you were a hard core feminist...I don't care if you've been outed.

MRM Supporter said...

Even a stopped clock tells the right time at least once in a day.

Robin Steele, whatever his/her game is, might be a Feminist and might be a secret misandrist but a lot of members of the MRM still need a big kick to their backsides.

Seriously, you will invest the time nit-picking and analysing this "Robin Steele" but what has it achieved for men? What have you achieved for the MRM? Not a damned thing.

If Robin Steel is who you say "she" is then "she" has managed to make you all look damn foolish - and that is not by her actions alone but your responses to hers.

If you were busy actually setting wheels in motion, if you were reaching out to men that are prepared to play feminists and the media at their own game, you would not NOTICE a person like Robin Steele - she would be far too insignificant a threat for any of you to take notice of.

Yet within days of each other MRM sites are posting about this evil Robin Steele and how - GOOD GOD NO - she is attempting to discredit the movement. No, the only discredit to the movement are yourselves. I challenge each of you to prove me wrong.

No wonder men like Robert Sides throws his hands up in frustration!

The only people looking absolutely stupid now are all the MRM flapping over what one blogger has to say about their precious movement.

I sympathize with the Men's Rights Movement, but my own sympathies are very limited, I will not listen to a mirror image of Feminist complaining and bitching unless men get their acts together and DO something.

Wake the fuck up. ALL of you.

Anonymous said...

The above post(10th) is Steele. She thinks she can keep fooling us. She may have posted the "anonomouz" comment no. 11 on Luke's most recent "RS Exposed Part 2" post.

Anonymous said...

Nope, mikeeusa posted the anonomouz comment. Being compared to mikeeusa or being called a hothead is one of the biggest insults one can garnish in the Men's Rights Movement. The MRM is about upstanding individual men being upstanding and showing the surrounding culture how upstanding they are. Radicals are not upstanding and thus are shunned by the upstanding valliant MRAs.

Anonymous said...

Robin, I don't know if there's a cure for haughtiness, lying and cheating, but better get some professional help. Also it may be revelatory to you to check yourself for these symptoms.

Yohan said...

Robin Steele:
Make no mistake: I don't call myself a men's rights activist, I am a Men's Rights Activist.


This is clearly the best joke of this month.

Factory said...

Wanting to address these issues on a one-to-one basis makes us look foolish? How so?

I would far rather convince one person, or at least try, than stand around and bitch at people as they walk by or somesuch.

You do your thing, I'll do mine, and how about we both STFU regarding other people's activism...m'kay?

Robin Steele said...

factory: I don't think mrm supporter was criticizing you, as you were actually engaged in real issues. I think (could be wrong) he was referring to Luke Skywalkers brilliant expose linked in the first comment and the anonymous "Friend's it's over" comment with the link to Feminist Lunch Counter with another ridiculous investigation on whether I changed words on my blog & other timewasting lunacy.

I did not post this mrmsupporter comment: If you were busy actually setting wheels in motion, if you were reaching out to men that are prepared to play feminists and the media at their own game, you would not NOTICE a person like Robin Steele - she would be far too insignificant a threat for any of you to take notice of.

Yet within days of each other MRM sites are posting about this evil Robin Steele and how - GOOD GOD NO - she is attempting to discredit the movement. No, the only discredit to the movement are yourselves. I challenge each of you to prove me wrong.


mrmsupporter states the truth... as I have since the start. Stop being buffoons who call themselves activists. Activists are Active. Movements Move.

You are more like MRTs: Men's Rights Talktivists.

(Hey. That's pretty good!)

Robin Steele said...

Yohan said: Robin Steele... a Men's Rights Activist.... This is clearly the best joke of this month.
Yeah, but you've got me beat for best joke of the year: a website called Masculist Advice that doesn't contain any masculist ADVICE! That's a hoot!

It's got lots of feminist quotes, and stories of big bad feminism, and more whining and complaining, and lots of good excuses... but no advice. Why? Because advice requires contemplation of action... that one should DO something...

I guess the advice inherent in Masculist Advice is: let's spend our time blaming everything on the Feminazi ChupaCabra - or, in Yohan's country, FEMZILLA - and our powerlessness will be our excuse for not DOING anything.

Yohan is bursting at the seams with Masculist advice, the last time he had something to say was September 10, 2007. Thank god for that.

Yohan said...

http://masculistadvice.blogspot.com/2007/09/women-often-more-violent-than-men.html

Mr/s Men's Rights Activist, I am still missing your comment about what I said in my blog on 10th September 2007.

One true posting is much better than a bundle of lies.

You are choosing quantity instead of quality and you are presenting yourself like a clown by changing the titel of your blog all the time and typing plenty of ridiculous inconsistent statements...Pro-IMBRA, Robin the Christian peace activist, promoting men's rights etc...
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About advice, I made many postings in MRA-related forums. 1000s of them.

Robin Steele said...

YOHAN said: About advice, I made many postings in MRA-related forums. 1000s of them.
YOHAN: You posted 1000s of pieces of advice? I say you didn't. Prove me wrong, smart guy. You whine, complain, comment, observe, discuss... all about how mean women are, how powerless men are, how there's nothing to be done. You participate in the MRM pity party, the World Wide Bitchfest. You do not offer advice. You do not propose solutions. You do not advocate actions. You do not organize. You do not go to the trouble to show up at hearings, to protest, to meet with elected officials. You want everything handed to you, and since no one has, you'd rather sit around and complain about how oppressed you are. It's pathetic.
If some Feminist Oppressors have you by the balls, it's because they worked to get into the position to do so. They lobbied, they protested, they threatened, they schmoozed and they got the job done. It's been about a month since I first reading the pathetic whining and delusional chestpounding on your sites and I'll tell you what: You sound like a bunch of lazyass whiners who DESERVE to be dominated and are BEGGING to be oppressed. For fuck sake, what ARE you doing about IMBRA, whatever the hell that is. Are you marching on Washington? Got any rallies planned?
Antiviolence against women... there's an entire program in the DOJ funded by tens of millions of dollars. Why? Because some women MADE IT HAPPEN instead of spending days EXPOSING ROBIN STEELE. How much have the valiant MRAs raised... Oh, i forgot, the Feminazis control the media, all three branches of Government, and practice mind control with CIA and NASA brainwashing machines. Let me instead ask: How many major funding efforts did you wage campaigns for & FAIL? What? Zero?

I'm sure the real men make a short visit to your pathetic forums, blow off steam, then get as far away from your depressing crap as possible. Why? Because you've got no advice to offer.

BTW, ADVICE is defined as "a proposal for an appropriate course of action," "a recommendation regarding a decision," "opinion given as to what action to take to handle a particular situation."

Perhaps you thought advice meant: "To commiserate with others on who's to blame for ones own sorry state, and attack anyone who proposes actually doing anything else."

In that case, I concede that you've left thousands of excuses and complaints. Can't imagine why more women aren't lining up to serve you as your slaves, you are all so inspiring in your helplessness.

Yohan said...

Robin Steele:

Yohan...You participate in the MRM pity party, the World Wide Bitchfest. You do not offer advice. You do not propose solutions. You do not advocate actions. You do not organize. You do not go to the trouble...

You want everything handed to you, and since no one has, you'd rather sit around and complain about how oppressed you are.

Can't imagine why more women aren't lining up to serve you as your slaves, you are all so inspiring in your helplessness.


Robin Steele - my dear favorite 'Men's Rights Activist' - feels rather disturbed by my activity within the MRM... despite accusing me, I am doing nothing.

But what are you doing for the MRA?

You are wrong, I am NOT oppressed, I am not living in the USA, the sex-prison of this world. I left the feminist region long time ago and I give advice to men, how to avoid some certain mistakes in their life.

For fuck sake, what ARE you doing about IMBRA, whatever the hell that is. Are you marching on Washington?

Do you think, all MRAs are holding American nationality?

And what are you doing about IMBRA, except offering your prayers to the MRA and removing some former derogatory text in your blog?

Check out your own 'IMBRA' page:

http://womanofsteele.blogspot.com/2007/10/imbra-was-just-beginning_31.html

Factory said...

You forget Robin, the quickest way to get a woman's attention is to deny her something. Every man knows this, although some have to think hard to remember it. So, MRA's are faced with 2 essential choices, just like feminism was back in the day.

Do we take an individual approach, or a collective one? Seeing the power of unions (I would imagine) convinced many to go that route - advocating for a strong central voice, lobbying, or more "direct" action.

But if you pay close attention to personal relationships, you will see quickly that telling a woman "no" snaps her head around. It gets her attention. Especially if you mean it. Once you have the attention, and you tell women WHY you're not willing to get married/have kids/etc, they can then choose the way things are going to be for themselves.

They did it, if they want a family ever, they can undo it. Especially when the male pill arrives.

Robin Steele said...

Factory said: the quickest way to get a woman's attention is to deny her something. Every man knows this...
You guys don't get it. The quickest way to get a woman's attention is NOT to deny her something... because her scheming mind is focused on using her devious wiles to get it some other way without giving him that power over her. No, the way to get a woman's attention is to dangle something in front of her like, say, a diamond bracelet or a pearl necklace.

Robin Steele said...

YOHAN: I called you a liar. I issued you a direct challenge to back up your claim that you posted 1000s of pieces of advice, as you stated. Make that hundreds of pieces of advice.

Your credibility is at stake, if not your manhood. All your blog and forum buddies are watching. Of course they'll all say they support you, ignore that bitch Robin Steele, but they are all thinking: That bitch threw down the gauntlet and the best he could come back with is a link to her IMBRA site? I think we got a mangina in the house... and Mangina, thy name is Yohan...

Yohan: You have a site called Masculist Advice, claim you have left 1000s of advice posts, but change the subject when asked what or where this advice is?

Yohan said...

Factory said: the quickest way to get a woman's attention is to deny her something. Every man knows this...

MRA Robin Steele is also such a woman...she follows me calling me a MANGINA and a LIAR.

What about MRA Robin Steele, to do some internet search by yourself? Why do you ask me?

You should find at least 5 different forums containing plenty of postings from Yohan (not all in English however) about how to fight feminism or how to get away from the feminist region.

Christian Men's Rights Activist Robin Steele, who calls me a liar and a mangina...

Anything else to call on me, Ms. Men's Rights Activist? Or am I already included in your prayers to the Lord?

What does she know about my daily life?

I am getting tired to read this ridiculous drivel any longer.

Robin Steele said...

YOHAN said: ...she follows me calling me a MANGINA and a LIAR.
I didn't "follow you."
I didn't call you a "Mangina."
I DID call you a liar.
I asked you to refute it.
You've left two comments trying to change the subject.
_________________________
I pointed out the irony of your site, which is called "Masculist Advice" yet provides no advice.

You answered: About advice, I made many postings in MRA-related forums. 1000s of them.

I asked you for links to where you provide advice - recommended courses of action - because all I've found are complaints, observations and whining about The Feminist Oppressor, the giant firebreathing FEMZILLA.

Instead of shutting me up with a list of your articles proposing action, you lamely attack me once for not knowing your personal life, and then tell me to search and I'll find "5 forums" chocked full of your "advice on how to fight feminism or how to get away from the feminist region."

I already have searched, Yohan. That's why I challenged you to back up your boast with proof. Or is your advice on those "non-English" sites?

C'mon, Yohan. Give us the links to your action plans for furthering men's rights... or admit that there are none... before your Masculist pals start calling you NoMan.

Anonymous said...

"No, the way to get a woman's attention is to dangle something in front of her like, say, a diamond bracelet or a pearl necklace."

Well now I think it's pretty clear why Robin has suddenly become concerned with men/father's rights in family court but doesn't care about IMBRA, false rape allegations, unfair and unequal prison sentences, health funding, and male only selective service/draft or other female privileges.

She is worried that men are not marrying and as such the imbalance in society is starting to affect women. She wants to throw men a bone and try and divide them. After all how are women going to rob men blind by divorce if they don't get married!

But most important of all who is going to buy the diamonds and pearls! oh no!

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