Monday, December 10, 2007

Is Blasphemy Approved of in the Men's Rights Movement?

In recent posts, I have noted that the extreme conformity within MRM blogs and forums is disturbing and self-defeating. The majority of these supposed "activists" are too meek to voice any opinion that might prompt criticism in the least. Even when the lies and illusions they trade with each other, they attack the truthteller with a pack mentality. They will not speak against the calls for violence and hatespeech of the mentally ill among them. And while many profess to be Christians, they ignore or are apologists for blatantly un-Christian and outright blasphemous views spewn forth by their comrades.

Blatant misogynist Christianj appears to be one of the "popular kids" on the Antimisandry.com playground. On my first trip to his misogynistic What Men are saying about "Women" two utterly ridiculous and openly blasphemous statements glared at me from the page:

"It's a known fact that women have no concept of GOD or anything that he does..."

"Women are only EVER interested in themselves..."

While the statements "It's a known fact..." (It is? To whom?) and "Women are only EVER interested in themselves..." mainly demonstrate the author's determination to destroy his own credibility as quickly as possible, the statement "...women have no concept of GOD or anything that he does..." is worse than ludicrous... it's blasphemy.

The Bible says that every one of God's children - men and women - possess the ability to know him and be saved if they open their hearts and accept Christ. That is the foundation of the Christian faith, and the reason that the Lord sent his only bgotten son to suffer and die for our sins. Everyone's sins. Christianj believes his opinion supercedes our Savior's.

This post was made in October and is linked from every comment he makes on Antimisandry. Yet there is not a single objection to this outrageous and offensive statement on his site or in the forum.

Are there no Christians in the MRM? Would they rather tolerate blasphemy than speak out on behalf of their faith, and in defense of the Word of God?

31 comments:

Alexandra said...

I'm a Christian, and there is no such thing as a Christian feminist. That's an oxymoron. Woman was made FOR man. That's not to say he should treat her like an object.

I'd like to get back to the traditional roles myself. Way it should be.

KellyMac said...

The Bible says that every one of God's children - men and women - possess the ability to know him and be saved if they open their hearts and accept Christ.

The Bible also says that women should be silent in the churches, Robin. If you're going to quote the Bible, you can't pick and choose which parts to quote to suit your agenda. It's disingenuous.

ChristianJ's statements, with very few exceptions, are far closer to the truth than your misguided attempt at logic. Stick to what you're good at - whining about oppression and promoting hatred of men.

Yohan said...

There is not much consideration for any religion in the feminist movement.

Not for Christianity, not for Islam and not for Buddhism.

I wonder about what 'Christian Church' Robin Steele is talking...
Maybe any religious feminist cult?

The only true Christian Church is the Roman Catholic Church.

The Roman Catholic Church is firmly guided by men out of the Vatican, it is against abortion, it rejects divorce, it is strongly supporting a family with a man and a woman married for life creating children.
It does not ordain women and it will excommunicate any female claiming to be a Roman Catholic priest.

Many moral values of the Roman Catholic Church are respected and considered as meaningful by the MRAs.

Feminism is rather blasphemious in its actions against the Roman Catholic Church.

It seems, Robin Steele's remarks are full of scorn and rather derogatory against true Christianity.

Alexandra said...

Yohan, you may want to go here:

http://p067.ezboard.com/fthetruth11187frm14

By their fruits ye will know them.

And Kellymac is absolutely right. The reasoning was--it was Eve who first fell for the serpent's lies.

Anonymous said...

Verlch said...

For the lady OP, I'd like to through in a bit more of what the Bible says:

Genesis 2:18And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

Titus 2:5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

23: And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman,because she was taken out of Man. 24: Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. 25: And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed. Genesis 2:23-25

“Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.” I Cor. 14:34-35.

“But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.” I Timothy 2:12.

But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of thewoman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. 1 Cor. 3:11

There is more, but I will end there.

In all fairness, the Bible also commands men to love your wives as you love yourself. To not hurt her, just as a man would not hurt himself. To treat her as the weaker vessel. To not be harsh with her ever. That she and the man become one soul in marriage. And that a man should be willing to die for his wife.

Hardly the oppression described by the sages of feminism.

It is better to dwell in the corner of the housetop, than with a brawling woman and in a wide house.

Proverbs 25:24

Robin Steele said...

Alexandra, I never said that woman was not made for man. I never said there was anything wrong with a woman choosing a traditional role. Your post about me, like your comment here, attacks radical feminism and not the specific things I say.

To be a Christian, you must have a concept of God and what he does, do you not? According to Christianj, not me, Alexandra, you are not a Christian. According to Christianj:
"It's a known fact that women have no concept of GOD or anything that he does..."

He says "women," not feminists.

Do you agree, Alexandra, that it is a "known fact" that you have no "concept of God or anything he does."?

You can attack me all you want, but I am a devout Christian who walks with the Lord. Right or wrong, I do not remain silent when a basic tenet of the Christian faith is attacked. Christianj made this statement on Antimisandry and you not only failed to correct it, you come here to defend this blasphemy. If your devotion to your forum friend is that great, I'll say an extra prayer for you.

Robin Steele said...

KellyMac:
I wasn't addressing "Christianj's statements, for the most part." I was addressing his specific statement that women can't be Christians, and the reluctance of those on MRA forums and blogs to express disagreement even with statements that are blatantly irresponsible, ridiculous or in conflict with their own beliefs.

To be a Christian, you must have a concept of God and what he does, do you not? According to Christianj, not me, Kelly, you cannot be a Christian. According to Christianj:
"It's a known fact that women have no concept of GOD or anything that he does..."

He says "women," not feminists.

Do you agree, Kelly, that it is a "known fact" that you have no "concept of God or anything he does."?

You can attack the straw man "Feminazi Robin Steele" you have all created, but I am my own person with my own beliefs. I am not afraid to agree with certain things MRAs believe and disagree with others. I am not afraid to agree with some things women's rights advocates say and strongly disagree with others. I actually read and consider what you write with an open mind. I wich you'd return the favor.

Robin Steele said...

Yohan says The only true Christian Church is the Roman Catholic Church.
...And again the "Christians" of the MRM remain silent...

Yohan said...

I still wonder about what 'Christian Church' Robin Steele is talking...
Maybe about any religious feminist cult?

Considering her derogatory actions, Robin Steele does not qualify to be a Christian in the sense of a Roman Catholic.

And for your information, Robin Steele, I am not a Christian and not a Muslim.

I am not sure, if Islam might be helpful for your problems, but it is said, that the Quran offers a solution for everybody.

Robin Steele said...

Yohan says that he is not a Christian, but believes that he is qualified to pronounce that all protestant faiths are not true Christian faiths.

It is good for all the Protestant MRAs to know that Yohan has deemed theirs to be a false religion, and pronounced that they must convert to Catholicism if they wish to be true Christians.

It is good for all Christians MRAs to know that Christianj has deemed that no woman - feminist, non-feminist or anti-feminist - can know God and therefore cannot be a Christian.

When you remain silent and abide those who attack and belittle your beliefs, you become weaker, not stronger, by the association. If you are able to remain silent as your "friends" assail your faith, how strong was that faith in the first place?

Exposing Feminism said...

Christians in the mens rights movement do not approve of blasphemy, however, neither do they support censorship!

''I have spoken openly to the world,'' Jesus replied. ''I always taught in synagogues or at the temple, where all the Jews come together. I said nothing in secret.Why question me? Ask those who heard me. Surely they know what I said.''

John 18:20-21

Anonymous said...

“Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.” I Cor. 14:34-35.


If Ms. Steele really cared ten cents about Christianity she would shut the fuck up!

Obviously she cares nothing at all about Christianity. She is only is another feminist bitch trying to find theological arguments to use to divide men's rights activists.

Anonymous said...

It is blasphemy for a woman to be lecturing to men, to be criticizing men. Ms. Steele's concern for Christian theology ends where her attacks on men begin. This blog is all blasphemy.

Factory said...

Well, I don't know...to me, all you religious people look a little weird. But then again, secular humanist approaches (apparently feminism is secular humanist...or so I hear....) scare the hell out of me, and should scare anyone who wants to be free from control by government in every aspect of their daily lives.

I'm not sure exactly what it is you're trying to accomplish here Robin...my understanding is you call yourself an MRA these days, if so it's fairly obvious you do so to try and discredit the people who are actually trying to correct an injustice or two. That makes you a bad person in my books, so I hope it's not intentional.

Just for the record, feminism has approached the level of "religion" for a lot of it's adherents, quite literally supplanting God....now I'm not a religious man, but how can someone be Christian, and a feminist at the same time?

Why is it such a bad thing to take a skeptical view and oppose feminism? I for one encourage skeptical examination of the men's movement. I do it to feminism, go ahead and hit us right back. Problem is, when one criticizes the MRM, it's usually advisable to base those arguments on facts and logic than it is to base them on fear tactics and misinformation.

Because - as feminists all over the world are starting to admit to themselves, when you lie, cheat and steal to attain your goals at any cost (to men for example), you'll eventually be exposed for the frauds that you are (metaphorically speaking), and will likely not only lose any future campaigns, but will likely lose a lot of already gained "ground".

Personally, when it comes to feminism and PC-think, a rollback can't possibly come soon enough.

And if you don't like hearing that, work for change yourself....I'm done giving a shit what women need, or if they're "oppressed"...even if they are, women in general did precious little to safeguard the rights of men, often explaining away this ill-intent by suggesting men are responsible for their own struggles, women shouldn't have to participate. Fair enough I say, men can take that same approach, and increasingly are.

In a way, it's a perfect way to show that women really ARE equal.... Because when men start waking up en masse, thinking of themselves FIRST, women are definitely going to "suffer", at least according to today's "I can get away with anything because I am female" standards. The encouraging thing is that it seems the younger women are disgusted with feminism, and feminist principles. Openly.

For example, yesterday I got into "the conversation" at my new job. Standing at the front counter I was talking to probably the most attractive female staff member, and she started asking me about personal stuff, like "Do you have kids, are you married," that sort of stuff.

I told her I was celibate (have been for 5 months or so now...seems like forever..) behind the front counter there are 9 people working, one man, the rest women. All of them were listening as it turns out....

When I told her I was celibate she was shocked...and asked me if I hate women or something. My response:

"No, I love women, can't get enough of them in fact...I just don't trust any of them as far as I can throw them, and refuse to be taken advantage of. Since I can't tell who is trustworthy, and who is just a really good liar, I've decided to just forget the whole thing".

The 21 year old hottie responded by saying she was sad to admit it, but I was probably right, and that it was a shame that things have come to this. The 40 year old not-so-hotties universally told me I had to get over my "issues",that I was just mad at losing my "male privilege", and were generally pissed off at me. One even told me that until I was married, I had no value to society, if you can believe it.

I'm 37. I've had a marriage, and 2 kids (girls), and had it all taken away, with pressure from everywhere to "just give up". I drove myself to financial ruin just to stay near my kids. I lost it all, because my wife wanted a bigger wallet to marry. Whatever, she can do so if she wants.

I just don't have to set myself up for the same shit again, condescension notwithstanding.

Plus, I can sleep with 21 year old hotties with no strings attached.

If the women in their 40-50's weren't such bitches my entire life (collectively speaking), I might feel sorry for their cat-filled empty shell lives...but they were...so tough. Tough shit, hope you like the bed you made for yourselves, and your daughters and neices are great in bed by the way.

Robin Steele said...

Factory said: ...my understanding is you call yourself an MRA these days, if so it's fairly obvious you do so to try and discredit the people who are actually trying to correct an injustice or two. That makes you a bad person in my books...
Factory: Have you noticed that sometimes what seems fairly obvious is actually the opposite of the truth? Sometimes you find those you thought were friends could do you the most damage? That someone who seems like an enemy is not an enemy at all?

Please hear me out, and judge me on what I say and not what others say I say, or what seems "obvious" at first glance.

I am really sorry to hear what you've gone through. I have people I care about very much in the same situation. Life is hard enough to deal with - trying to make a living, getting old, dealing with the deaths of those you love - without the added pressure that we put each other through. The court system and public perception put men - especially fathers - at an unfair disadvantage. I have seen this firsthand and it has made me an advocate for men's rights.

Make no mistake: I don't call myself a men's rights activist, I am a Men's Rights Activist. And while I haven't directly suffered the injustices you have, I will submit to you that I have more right to that title than more than half of those posting on men's blogs and forums, and here's why:

I don't want you to give up. I want you to believe that you can handle it. I want you to know that change is possible. I want you to know that however tough it is right now, it will be worth it. Hate and anger can't save you but love and faith can: the love you have for your daughters, the faith that no matter how many lies or barriers are put up, a father's love will reach them and some day they will thank you for persevering. Some day they will visit you and your grandchildren will jump out of the car, come running to you, and you will know it was all worth it.

Now all will scream that this is Feminazi lies, deception, etc. but if you continue to listen to what I actually say, I am not being inconsistent at all.

I am an advocate for real change. I believe that many of your comrades here are actually, deep down, against change. I believe the attitudes expressed on the blogs and forums are the greatest barriers to correcting the anti-male court system that there is. Why? Because there is a bias AGAINST action. They are content to whine and complain, but never take it any farther. They create the illusion of some huge feminist stranglehold that they can't defeat. It's ludicrous... but it gives them an excuse to remain victims.

Where do they leave you, Factory? They may help you feel understood, but they don't make you feel empowered, or hopeful.

I invite you to read my post called the Eloquence of Cowardice. Paul Parmenter is an eloquent and talented writer. But his mockery of my ideas for action reveal a sad and defeatist attitude that permeates many of these attitudes: that if men truly try to create change, they will probably fail and be humiliated once again. So lets stay anonymous and complain to each other where it's safe.

Sometimes those who seem to be obviously championing your cause are actually the saboteurs of progress. Perhaps the one who is called the Enemy is the one who is sounding the battle call, and trying to wake the sleeping troops.

Exposing Feminism said...

I think the point that Factory is trying to make is that feminism is marginalising the sexes in a big way and the problem is worsening.

As for censorship, wasn't Jesus Christ crucified for what he said?

Robin Steele said...

EF said: I think the point that Factory is trying to make is that feminism is marginalising the sexes in a big way and the problem is worsening.

Understood. The point I am making is that most of the MRA posers are marginalizing themselves by being content complaining about the feminist menace and never taking it any farther. MRA views are marginalized by 1) No plan 2) No strategy 3) No organization 4) No cooperation between members 5) No consensus on basic beliefs 6) No action.

Believe me, feminists aren't staying up nights trying to marginalize your views. They know that you're doing a great job of that on your own.

They're staying up late trying to figure out how to spend the tens of millions of your tax dollars they've effectively lobbied for while MRAs expend their efforts on new and better excuses for not taking action, and on hard-hitting undercover reports like Luke's "Exposing Robin Steele" extravaganza.

FYI: The root of "activism" is "active."

TimberWolf said...

Ah Robin. I see you're still trying to drive wedges betwixt men while standing behind the absolutely spurious claim that you're an MRA. Luke Skywalker has done an absolutely stellar job of exposing your agenda. I would attempt to highlight some of his excellent work, but I feel utterly inadequate to the task, as I'm so impressed with the job he's done.

But rubbing your face in your own mess, while it makes for much entertaining reading, is merely a diversion from my grander objectives.

Make no mistake, the MRM is moving.

Unlike you, I don't feel the need to change identities and then try to hide past statements. FYI, I once went by the name, ACLAF, or A Canadian Liberal Against Feminism.

I'll let my words speak for themselves.

Regards,

http://antimisandry.com/mgtow_book-t8695.html

Anonymous said...

"but I am a devout Christian who walks with the Lord"

You've said you weren't a Christian in past posts. Also, why don't you mention me in your lists anymore, it's all about Bob and Masculinist Man nowadays... shouldn't this be a trinity?

What is your opinion on deuteronomy 22 and the rest of the Bible verses I have written on?

--MikeeUSA--

Yohan said...

Robin Steele is not a Men's Rights Activist and also not a Christian.

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This blog is mockery, a fun-site, a hoax...Robin Steele is a clown, changing its position like the daily weather.

Robin Steele said...

Timberwolf howled: Unlike you, I don't feel the need to change identities...I once went by the name, ACLAF, or A Canadian Liberal Against Feminism.
You contradict yourself within a single sentence. That's impressive. I have now been lectured on Identity Management by a Canadian bean counter who calls himself "Timberwolf!" My life is complete!
Timberwolf howled: Make no mistake, the MRM is moving.
To where? A Section 8 basement apartment? The back corner of your wolf den?

Mikee said... Oh, nobody cares what Mikee said.

Yohan said: This blog is... a fun-site
Thanks, Yohan! You always struck me as the creepy foreign exchange student on antimisandry, but you're starting to grow on me. Keep the compliments coming!

Alexandra said: ?
KellyMac said: ?

Well, what could they say?

Anonymous said...

Fuckface Robin Steele blubbered:

Timberwolf howled: Unlike you, I don't feel the need to change identities...I once went by the name, ACLAF, or A Canadian Liberal Against Feminism.
You contradict yourself within a single sentence. That's impressive. I have now been lectured on Identity Management by a Canadian bean counter who calls himself "Timberwolf!" My life is complete!
Timberwolf howled: Make no mistake, the MRM is moving.
To where? A Section 8 basement apartment? The back corner of your wolf den?

Mikee said... Oh, nobody cares what Mikee said.

Yohan said: This blog is... a fun-site
Thanks, Yohan! You always struck me as the creepy foreign exchange student on antimisandry, but you're starting to grow on me. Keep the compliments coming!

Alexandra said: ?
KellyMac said: ?

Well, what could they say?

..........

As usual, barf drinking Steele LOST the ENTIRE argument again.

TimberWolf said...

As usual Robin, you completely miss the point. Not that I expect any sort of intellectual honesty, or rigor from you, but haven't you claimed to be some sort of attorney? In what practice, exactly? Are all attorney's this myopic, or just you?

Oh, and as I like to keep reminding you, I'm not an accountant, but carry on ignoring me. It will most certainly come back to haunt you.

Yohan said...

Robin Steele: Thanks, Yohan! You always struck me as the creepy foreign exchange student on antimisandry, but you're starting to grow on me. Keep the compliments coming!

No idea what you mean. Robin Steele, the 'Foreign Exchange Student' ??? Where do you intend to study? In Iran?

Maybe you could explain all your weird thoughts for us. Laughing is healthy.

You are a clown - just something, which cannot be taken seriously.

TimberWolf said...

And one more thing. Did it never occur to you that I might be native? I happen to have known some particularly erudite first-nations folks in my time.

Incidentally, one of them recently changed his name to Crow. And as I explained to you before, this is the Internet. I could myself John Smith, or Hermes Conrad, and it wouldn't be any closer to an identity.

Of course, I don't really expect you to understand the intricacies of philosophical discourse, but since this is the internet, you never know. You might just surprise me.

Robin Steele said...

Timberwolf: Your profile said you were in "accounting." I gave you the benefit of the doubt that you were an actual accountant instead of "accounting lackey." I thought as Timberwolf you would want to be known as the top dog.

Aren't you that Canadian Liberal in King Arthur's Court (or whatever you called it) that Masculist Man dedicated an entire website to bashing? Is that you?

OMG... If so, that would mean MM and I have a common adversary? shudders That would be enough to make me apologize for everything I've said against you!

Robin Steele said...

Timberwolf said: FYI, I once went by the name, ACLAF, or A Canadian Liberal Against Feminism.
Timberwolf: I want to be accurate here, so please correct me if I've got any of this wrong.
- Masculist Man created an entire website dedicated solely to attacking you and your beliefs.
- On that site, MM called you many insulting names, such as "arrogant little shit," "asshole," "fuck-tard," "balless mangina," "senile or stupid," "masculinist shitty head," and "fucking moron."

- You made a gesture of peace to him, proposed a truce and publicly apologized. You knelt at his feet and offered "I imagine that you'll close your blog. You can do what you feel is necessary if you feel you need to save face, and I'll assist you where I can. I'd be happy to answer any questions you have for me, and explain my actions."

- Masculist Man made a fool of you. He keeps your public apology and offers to do whatever he wants ("the Mangina Dialogues") posted for all to see, and he has made a fool of you by maintaining his site as proof of his domination and superiority. Obviously, he sees peace and cooperation as signs of weakness to be exploited.
- Changing your name to Timberwolf was your attempt to offset his attempt to publicly emasculate anyone who dares question him?

That no one speaks out about the shaming and bullying tactics within the MRM continues to be a major barrier to progress, IMHO.

There's a lot of fear in this movement. Alexandra is afraid to speak out on her Christian beliefs, as is KellyMac. Paul Parmenter is afraid to express his views outside a forum. All are afraid of being criticized and betrayed by other members who call any view that's not laced with hate manina-speak or Feminazi propaganda. MRAs: Can you see that your first battle - and major enemy - is within the MRM?

TimberWolf said...

- Masculist Man created an entire website dedicated solely to attacking you and your beliefs.

More or less. Masculist Man is a radical, and I don't agree with his stance that women have no place in the MRM. I've said so repeatedly and I stand by that. But I don't particularly feel the need to have a fight with him about it, and I don't think he does either. We have bigger fish to fry at the moment.

- On that site, MM called you many insulting names, such as "arrogant little shit," "asshole," "fuck-tard," "balless mangina," "senile or stupid," "masculinist shitty head," and "fucking moron."

Correct. I also contributed my share to that discourse, as I'm sure Masculist Man can attest.


- You made a gesture of peace to him, proposed a truce and publicly apologized. You knelt at his feet and offered "I imagine that you'll close your blog. You can do what you feel is necessary if you feel you need to save face, and I'll assist you where I can. I'd be happy to answer any questions you have for me, and explain my actions."

The truce in question was largely brokered by Fred X just before he went off-line. I did not "kneel at his feet," I believe both of us made considerable concessions. Personally, I don't care what Masculist Man posts about me, especially considering that he's stopped.

- Masculist Man made a fool of you. He keeps your public apology and offers to do whatever he wants ("the Mangina Dialogues") posted for all to see, and he has made a fool of you by maintaining his site as proof of his domination and superiority. Obviously, he sees peace and cooperation as signs of weakness to be exploited.

Trying to drive a wedge? I don't see things that way. Perhaps Masculist Man does see peace and cooperation as weaknes, I don't know, and I don't know that I care. I can't police him, and he can't police me. He knows full well that I could start my own site ridiculing his if I wanted to, but I find that I don't have the time, energy or inclination to do so. Like I said, bigger things to do... Writing a book comes to mind.

- Changing your name to Timberwolf was your attempt to offset his attempt to publicly emasculate anyone who dares question him?

Actually no. That grew out of my association with the Honor Network, and has nothing to do with Masculist Man.

That no one speaks out about the shaming and bullying tactics within the MRM continues to be a major barrier to progress, IMHO.

Perhaps. He hasn't, however, made any attempt to derail my latest efforts, and I've made no secret of them. I rather doubt he's going to because 1) it won't work, and 2) allowing my efforts to come to fruition will help men, and damage feminism. So, Masculist Man is hardly an obstacle, though I'm sure he could make my life difficult, I don't believe that it's in his best interest to do so.

All are afraid of being criticized and betrayed by other members who call any view that's not laced with hate manina-speak or Feminazi propaganda. MRAs: Can you see that your first battle - and major enemy - is within the MRM?

Absolutely untrue. Expressing my views publicly is inevitable, and it will benefit the men's movement, therefore, there is no battle.

Anonymous said...

So tell me Robin Steele how do you feel about Amanda Marcotte at Pandagon.net referring to Christians as Godbags and Christofascists? Any condemnation for that language or bigotry or is it exclusively reserved for Men's Rights Activists?

KellyMac said...

Just to straighten out any misunderstandings, I never said I was a Christian; as a matter of fact, I am not a Christian.

However, knowing what I do know about that religion, I don't see how any woman can be a feminist and still call herself a Christian. But whatever floats your boat.

Anonymous said...

I am a Christian man and my name is Michael (sorry for not having signed in "properly"). I am becoming more active in the MRM, partly because parts of the CofE have become cowed by feminism and pressure for "moral free" religion/humanistic relativism.

Feminism wants the total breakdown of the traditional family, the church (or to co-opt the church) and the removal of male leadership (which they portray as domination). The aim is (1) weaken the backbone of society and (2) consolidate a new world order dominated by a superficially virtuous, superficially democratic, anti-Christian government wielding enormous control over ordinary people's lives.

To my true Christian sisters like Alexandra, I respect you enormously for what you say. Women was made for man, yes. Equally correct (as you imply), man's status to exercise leadership has big instructions attached - to love her to the point of being willing to die for her. Also, the New Testament is very clear about giving "more honour to weaker vessels" in the Church.

Feminists don't "get it" when it comes to the Christian idea of leadership. It's not a status thing, it's not a power trip, it isn't a heavy-handed right to dominate, it's not without reference to the man's submission to Christ (the supreme servant King, who washed his disciples feet!).

The "higher" you are in God's church the more is expected of you. Apostle Paul persevered and willingly suffered torture so as not to be found wanting (cast off) himself; Christ endured ridicule/torment as he "feared" to disobey his father.

Athena, woman of steel, you ask whether the men's movement "approves" of blasphemy. Well, some individual members may indeed blaspheme, but blasphemy is not a stated objective of the movement. I urge you - if you want to see blasphemy eradicated - to look at the bigger picture. When the ungodly rule (feminists clearly stated aim) and God's social blueprint for harmony is reviled, you'll see God's name dishonoured more than ever!! The men's movement (in the sad absence of the church taking the lead on this) deserves support because it recognizes the end-game destructiveness of feminism for women, children and men.

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