Tuesday, November 27, 2007

Angry Harry vs. Feministing Part 2

A throwback to Web .02, AngryHarry.Com is easily one of the most primitive, ugly, boorish and clumsily constructed sites on the Internet today. Robin Steele

The term "Men's Rights Movement" is something of a misnomer, as the presence of the word "Movement" would seem to require that there actually be some, preferably forward.

As those who actually read my words before calling for my violent, agonizing death know, I believe there is a serious imbalance in the family court system that puts men at a disadvantage, an imbalance that could be corrected if this MRM could graduate from the 5th grade. So in my selfless and giving way, I have appointed myself the official Unwelcome Image Advisor to the MRM (Men's Rights Movement). It's my hope that I can get them focused on creating change, rather than their current focus on finding new ways of creating new, more offensive ways of combining the words "feminist," "nazi," and "cunt."

In Lesson 1 (Angry Harry vs. Feministing Part 1) I tried to show them why "feminists" were so successful at what they do, while normal people would not be able to name the male counterpart ("masculist") if Final Jeopardy was riding on it (at least without snickering). I used a comparison of the high-traffic, award-winning feminist Feministing.com, a blog "by and for young feminists," and winner of the 2007 Blogger's Choice Award for Best Political Blog and arch rival men's site AngryHarry.Com to illustrate the self-defeating effects that Delusions of Grandeur and a Lack of Style & Organization are having on the presentation of Men's Rights issues.

Here in Lesson 2, I shall use these two sites to show other factors that keep the Men's Rights Movement stationary: Lack of cooperation, Lack of discipline, Anonymity/Silly Names.

LACK OF COOPERATION
On yesterday's post, an MRA commenter by the name TimberWolf said "I am not a leader of men, I am too much of a lone-wolf for that." Aren't you all? Angry Harry loves being the "Lone Wolf" too. He's the sole writer on his site. He allows no comments. He doesn't even link to MRA sites. When asked in a recent interview what he thought of other men's blogs, he said he hadn't been reading other sites. Aloof. Self-important.

Ironically, wolves aren't loners at all; their survival depends on cooperation within the pack. There are 7 writers contributing to Feministing, which helps explain why the site has 7X more traffic than AngryHarry.com. Today alone, there were 9 new separate posts and more than 180 comments. Feministing has 200+ links to other sites. Occasionally they'll just do a post inviting their readers to shamelessly plug their own blogs and websites. Funny how so many MRAs preach teamwork to the sports teams they coach or in their management meetings, but then brag about being the "lone wolf" when it comes to their impassioned cause.

LACK OF DISCIPLINE
Feministing.com doesn't produce the number of posts it does without having the discipline and structure to get the job done consistently. They don't just show up when they feel like it. Plus, they have pursued a monetization strategy and have multiple revenue streams on their blog that at least defrays some of their costs. They take themselves seriously, and it shows.
AngryHarry.com, just like every other Men's Rights site not run be a professional, is just a sloppy disorganized mess with no real rhyme or reason. They just show up and disengorge, letting it all fall where it may.

ANONYMITY/SILLY NAMES
Imagine buying anything - a used car, aluminum siding, a vacuum cleaner - from a salesperson who can't disclose his or her real name, and says "just call me Angry Harry" or "TimberWolf ."
Feministing.com has a real staff, who have real college degrees, real pictures of themselves, real credentials, and real views they are not afraid to be associated with. Feministing's About us lists: Executive Editor, Jessica Valenti, Editor, Vanessa Valenti Editor, Samhita Mukhopadhyay, Editor, Ann Friedman, Interviews Editor, Celina De Leon, Politics Editor, Jen Moseley, Books Editor, Courtney Martin, Tech Grrl, Deanna Zandt.

Compare that to the "About Us" section on AngryHarry.com... There is no "About Us" section on AngryHarry.com. Just as all the great heroes of the MRM hide behind monikers like Angry Harry, Duncan Idaho, Masculist Man, Fred X, KhankerSore, and other names that might be appropriate for Pro Wrestling characters but not legitimate activists. And poor guys like the the Canadian accountant who goes by "TimberWolf" doesn't see that he's another MRA who seems to be parodying his own movement.

Let the attacks on things I never said and criticisms I never made begin!

43 comments:

TimberWolf said...

Only George W. Bush and Richard B. Cheney are as capable as you are at the art of self-delusion, especially in spite of all the facts.

Whether or not Angry Harry's site is better than Feministing.com is largely irrelevant. What IS relevant is that up until very shortly before the end of the voting period, Angry Harry had a considerable lead over Feministing.com. For several weeks, his lead was roughly 100 or so votes. My personal feelings do not enter into this fact. It therefore seems extremely unusual that feministing.com would somehow manage to win at the last minute by such a massive margin.

As for specifics: Insulting my academic credentials are you? Mine would make yours look rather dwarfish. Perhaps you should consult a looking-glass before you hurl poorly constructed attempts at insult. My foundation is sound. Yours?

You discuss collaboration. Madame, since you've somehow managed to come to the wise decision to divest yourself of that lump of carbon you've been apparently residing under, I think it should be made abundantly clear to you that the sky is the limit when men collaborate on a project. Perhaps you should be patient, the MRM is rather new. I'll even make a wager. I wager that if we begin to co-operate, we will accomplish more than feminism could ever hope to achieve, in half the time. We are men after all. Perhaps you should query a little town called Hiroshima, or Nagasaki for evidence of what we are capable of.

You mention discipline, demonstrating none yourself, but I suppose I'll have to be lenient. You are only a woman, right?

Again, when it comes to discipline, I think we've cornered the market thankyouverymuch.

Anonymity. Well, now we see illustrated the very point I was making regarding academic credentials. Did it never occur to you that anonymity on the internet has nothing to do with vanity, and everything to do with prudence and caution? Being a "strong independent feminist" I realize that these concepts are entirely foreign to you, as your cohorts bravely stagger drunkenly into blind alleys wearing clothing that would make Helen of Troy blush in shame.

Case-in-point (fair warning NSFW!)
http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Biting_Beaver

Perhaps I shall direct the charitable folks who do it for the Lulz towards you.

Robin Steele said...

timberwolf said: Only George W. Bush and Richard B. Cheney are as capable as you are at the art of self-delusion...
Don't be modest. As an accountant who uses Cheney's middle initial and calls himself "timberwolf," you're no slouch yourself!

Whether or not Angry Harry's site is better than Feministing.com is largely irrelevant.
Actually, as it was Part 2 of the AngryHarry.com vs. Feministing series, it was highly relevant.

Insulting my academic credentials are you? Mine would make yours look rather dwarfish.
I believe that you be insulting your profession, not academic credentials. And "attorney" is a good 3" above "accountant," 6" above "Canadian accountant," and a full foot and a half above "accountant who calls himself 'timberwolf'"

Perhaps you should consult a looking-glass...
Looking glass? Are you visiting from the 19th Century, by any chance?

You discuss collaboration. Madame...
Madame? 19th Century London?

Perhaps you should query a little town called Hiroshima, or Nagasaki for evidence of what we are capable of.
As a Canadian, you can't take credit for the A Bomb. Hiding draft dodgers and Dudley Doo-right are what you're capable of.

...your cohorts bravely stagger drunkenly into blind alleys wearing clothing that would make Helen of Troy blush in shame.
Not much could make that little hussy blush, I'll tell you that. And don't knock staggering bravely into blind alleys with drunken cohorts 'til you've tried it.
timberwolf: do you sometimes sing Duran Duran's "Hungry Like the Wolf" while reviewing your chart of accounts? I think that's hot.

jw said...

I still do not know what your problem is! What are you complaining about? What point are you trying to make?

The men and women who actually change things are not the same men and women who spend their time on the 'net getting all angry and such. Two different groups with some overlap.

Also, when looking at gender one must remember the behavior of the dominant male. These men make up most of our leaders and they do not like lesser men, they never have. Much of our history is a battle between the dominant men and the lesser men.

Thus, when looking a women's rights one is looking at one thing and when looking at men's a completely different thing! The difference being how the people are seen by the dominant men. Are they 'highly useful and to be protected' or are they 'workers and bullet stops.'

We also face a problem of men having withdrawn into themselves. How does one get the men to stand up for themselves? How does one breach the withdrawal?

I still see you trying to compare apples and pineapples.

Anonymous said...

"..the MRM hide behind monikers like Angry Harry, Duncan Idaho, Masculist Man, Fred X, KhankerSore, and other names.."

But Robin cunt bitch Steele doesn't..

Anonymous said...

Useless Steele doesn't see that she's another feminazi who seems to be parodying her own movement.

TimberWolf said...

As an accountant who uses Cheney's middle initial and calls himself "timberwolf," you're no slouch yourself!

Wow. You're developing additional delusion at a rather accelerated rate. I wonder if this is a unique psychological phenomena, or if it goes hand in hand with feminism. My money is on the latter.

I believe that you be insulting your profession, not academic credentials. And "attorney" is a good 3" above "accountant," 6" above "Canadian accountant," and a full foot and a half above "accountant who calls himself 'timberwolf'"

More delusions! You didn't read the article about Biting Beaver, did you? You know, there's no shame in illiteracy, there is help available.

Madame? 19th Century London?

Simply because you are unable to cope with simple language skills is no reason to become petulant. You are clearly outclassed, accept the situation for what it is, and move on.

As a Canadian, you can't take credit for the A Bomb. Hiding draft dodgers and Dudley Doo-right are what you're capable of.

As a man I can. However, if you'd like to have a discussion about how Canadians are much better at everything historically than Americans, I'm quite happy to oblige, and you will find yourself decidedly unarmed. Rather the same as your present situation.

Not much could make that little hussy blush, I'll tell you that. And don't knock staggering bravely into blind alleys with drunken cohorts 'til you've tried it.

No. There's something called "caution" that I practice.

timberwolf: do you sometimes sing Duran Duran's "Hungry Like the Wolf" while reviewing your chart of accounts? I think that's hot.

1) Sorry, not a fan of Duran Duran.
2) More delusions... Did it ever occur to you that maybe I have... *gasp* been deceiving you about my chosen profession?
3) You know on digg.com such statements are normally accompanied by a "/sarcasm" or "/sarcasm>" tag. This practice borrows from what could be called the language of the internet, known as hypertext mark up language or HTML. The convention in HTML is that one "opens" a given text and "closes" it by signifying the "/." The point is that I strongly suspect that your last statement was entirely facetious. However, since you neglected to put any sort of indicator, I get the pleasure of interpreting the statement however I want.

Madame, I'm rather flattered, but, I'm pleasantly conjoined, happily raising my first offspring, and not at all interested in a mentally unstable feminist like yourself. The fact that you would demonstrate your lack of good sense and prudence by propositioning a total stranger on the Internet, a practice which I might point out can be very hazardous to one's continued need to breath, clearly indicates to me that any of your offspring are likely to qualify as sharing your mental deficiency.

Thank you, no.

And seeing as how you've already run out of ammunition, I'll interpret your inability to actually address the matter at hand as an offer of concession on your part. I accept your surrender.

Anonymous said...

"Let the attacks on things I never said and criticisms I never made begin!"

Panty-wetting Steele crying & sobbing more than ever..BooOOooOOOoo, HooOOooOOoOOo..

Robin Steele said...

JW said: What are you complaining about? What point are you trying to make? and How does one get the men to stand up for themselves? How does one breach the withdrawal?
My point, in a nutshell: Men's rights is a serious issue and the MRM should begin taking a more serious approach than simply making excuses, threats and insults. I've contrasted the two sites to illustrate the difference between an effective approach and ineffective approach. The 5 differences listed so far can be easily converted into steps MRAs could take to begin gaining credibility and articulating its points:
1) Stop the Delusions of Grandeur. Be honest about your lack of progress. Noise is not progress. Just because you say things are changing doesn't mean they are.
2) Poor presentation style. Create a professional image, not clip art clowns and amateur graphics. There must be MRAs who are web designers, graphic artists, run ad agencies, etc.
3) Work together. Feministing is a blueprint for getting web traffic by using multiple contributors, frequent posters, active participation, and linking. Stop complaining about lack of funding and use the free tools available.
4) Take a disciplined approach. Feminists didn't make the strides they did by treating their cause like a hobby they were dabbling in.
5) Stop hiding in the shadows. Start using real names and trying to create real change. Hiding in anonymity is great for venting and insults, and that's fine it that's all you want. If you want real change you need to step up and plead your case out in the open, in the light of day.

Many of these are political issues. Politicians side with those who have consensus and can move votes. Who will they favor: a disorganized anonymous rabble or an organized, professional group with clear and reasonable leaders?

Outcast Superstar said...

"AH had 540 votes when vote displays went secret, FS had 420. You mean to tell me that AH LOST 94 votes and FS gained 299 in one month? That NOT ONE SINGLE ADDITIONAL VOTE was cast for AH in weeks? I'm sorry, you have no credibility. This 'Award' was clearly fixed. I simply don't trust you or the results"

-Lee Racounteur


This is the main reason why we believe the blogger choice awards was rigged.

Factory said...

"1) Stop the Delusions of Grandeur. Be honest about your lack of progress. Noise is not progress. Just because you say things are changing doesn't mean they are."

"Noise", or protest, is where these things start. Making connection with other pissed off men is the beginning, not the middle or end. What you and other feminists seem to miss is that we have neither spent much time thinking about this in the past (in an organized manner), nor do we have organized "groups" to fund (or for that matter - attack...). Thanks to the internet, now we CAN organize. Time will tell what happens in the future...

2) Poor presentation style. Create a professional image, not clip art clowns and amateur graphics. There must be MRAs who are web designers, graphic artists, run ad agencies, etc.

I'll agree with that statement, especially since I am a photographer by trade, and bad design DOES discourage reading. For instance, white text on a black background is VERY difficult to read for long, thus discouraging extended viewing.


3) Work together. Feministing is a blueprint for getting web traffic by using multiple contributors, frequent posters, active participation, and linking. Stop complaining about lack of funding and use the free tools available.

Men do not have to work together to accomplish things., and in many cases work better independently. Seeing multiple viewpoints on multiple sites is MUCH better than a "cohesive message" from a few sites. I thought all you feminists liked diversity? What gives?

Oh, and you don't get to tell MRA's to "stop complaining" without rebuttal. I'll take a whack...feminists have been non-stop complaining for decades. DECADES. I know you're tired of it, and don't want men to play the "victim card" like all those that came before. I agree it may be less effective of a strategy, but who exactly do you think you are admonishing men from doing WHAT YOUR SITE DOES? Hypocrisy abounds.....

4) Take a disciplined approach. Feminists didn't make the strides they did by treating their cause like a hobby they were dabbling in.

Damn straight they didn't...er....after they began to acquire funding, so they could afford professional lobbyists and the like. One cannot be a full time activist AND work full time. Good thing the early feminists were all well-off members of society or, more commonly, they were LIVING OFF THEIR HUSBAND'S INCOME. Also, let's not forget that the vast majority of MRA's have financial obligations that would make most feminists recoil in horror at having to pay. makes it tough to afford printing costs for those pamphlets...


5) Stop hiding in the shadows. Start using real names and trying to create real change. Hiding in anonymity is great for venting and insults, and that's fine it that's all you want. If you want real change you need to step up and plead your case out in the open, in the light of day."

Easy for someone who doesn't have "studies" done on them, studies that recommend the gov't track, and identify, and prosecute wherever possible under "hate crimes" legislation, any opposition to the feminist ideology. Someone who doesn't have to face the discrimination of EVERY SINGLE LEVEL OF GOV'T (including police forces), as well as public perception generated by decades of man-bashing and outright hatred of maleness that defines feminism.

And lastly, who the fuck are YOU to tell us what to do? You obviously have no respect for the men fighting for change. You in fact try to get in the way of change, and denounce those that ARE making a difference. So why are you giving "advice"? Do you truly want success for MRA's? Somehow I doubt it.

Anonymous said...

Factory said:

"You obviously have no respect for the men fighting for change. You in fact try to get in the way of change, and denounce those that ARE making a difference."

That was the useless broad's ENTIRE reason for this misandrist troll blog, to completely obscure the progression she is scared shitless of just so she can justify her bile of "our total ineptitude".

Paranoia at its most severe level. Oh, well..she'll just end up getting trampled.

Robin Steele said...

You're right. Keep doing what you're doing. Seems to be working out quite well for you.

shatteredmen said...

Robin,

It does seem that you never have anything good to say about any MRA.

Why is it that you have no problem with angry "Harriet", "Heida", or "Hillary"?

Have you read anything Harry has written?

How about people....WOMEN like those in the Independent WOMEN's Forum or Cathy Young or Phyllis Schlafly of the Eagle Forum who just wrote about the abuse of domestic violence laws.

http://www.christianworldviewnetwork.com/article.php/2756/Phyllis_Schlafly

Maybe you should talk to a woman named Shelly whose husband paid child support for FIVE YEARS for a child that never existed.

I guess these people do not have a right to be angry?

Maybe this man should have kept his mouth shut and kept right on paying and perhaps he should even have put this non-existent child through college?

Robin, why not start looking to see WHY Harry is angry instead of always looking for what is wrong with the MRA movement!

Robin Steele said...

shattermen: You obviously don't read what I write. What's the point of responding to what you think I wrote?

Did I criticize the points Harry makes? Did I question that there's a serious social and legal imbalance, unfairly skewed against men? No, but thanks for addressing those points in case I ever do in the future.

The few who read and process the points I make in these posts would realize that I AM an MRA.

Read, people. Process. Think.

Anonymous said...

It is fun to see how scared the feminist bloggers, and all feminists, have become of men lately. 5 years ago the fembitches would just have smacked down any man who stood up and objected to slavery, and gone on with their domination. Today, those old nazi teactics and hate don't work any more. Hundreds of men are speaking loudly and angrily against the feminazi, and the bitches are getting more and more scared every year. Even 2 years ago Steele's attack blog would have been unthinkable because the feminazi weren't so scared of men. Today, the men are making huge progress and the feminazi are running scared.

Your attacks don't work, Steele. Your days are numbered.

Anonymous said...

When Michael Noer wrote his article "Don't Marry A Career Woman" something amazing happened. Men appeared out of nowhere to battle the Feminists and those who wanted Noer Fired. Some Women actually wanted him Castrated. Now that's Love, Peace and Tolerance for you.

A watershed event for the Men's movement. Men realized for the first time there were more of us than we had imagined.

Some of us have obligations, responsible Executive Positions. Myself I have Investors and a Board to Answer to. I have some major legal connections. But to fund our Movement which has been fragmented will take time.

My interest is not in becoming a major Figure in the movement. My ego does not demand it. I am content to motivate other Men to become involved.

Many so called Men's Rights blogs are in fact moderated by Women. Anything to angry or that Women object to is banned outright or deleted. Some of these are understandable. They are in fact portals for companies to generate Revenue.

Women are the majority spenders in our Republic. Advertisers cater to Women, this is just bottom line driven business fighting for customers and marketshare.

I find it interesting that the new tactic by Ms. Steele is for us to give up and surrender. I would prefer Death to Slavery.

That Men are articulating our viewpoint is clear. Any venue where Men can speak openly Men are coming to the same conclusion. And the Feminists are getting very nervous.

Ben Kingsley just married a Brazilian Actress Thirty years his Junior. Go Ben. Men are by nature independent. We will develop our own movement. Women can support it or not. We are not going away. Dream on Robin.

My choice of a historical Figure was meant to convey a message. Too bad you have not seen fit to read into it the message intended.

Khankrumthebulgar

Robin Steele said...

Anonymouse: Today, the men are making huge progress and the feminazi are running scared.

Bob: The tied is turning, and Ms. Stalin and her ilk are very worried.

Khankersore: the Feminists are getting very nervous.

It's easy to see why we're nervous. Such unity. Such power:
MRM Displays Power, Professionalism at Rally!

eMasculist said...

Khankrumthebulgar said "My interest is not in becoming a major Figure in the movement. My ego does not demand it. I am content to motivate other Men to become involved."
Khankrumthebulgar, how can we change your mind? You could lead the MRM to greatness! You are educated, worldly, sophisticated... like bob said, the tied has turned but we need your leadership!

Factory said...

"It's easy to see why we're nervous. Such unity. Such power:"

"The few who read and process the points I make in these posts would realize that I AM an MRA.

Read, people. Process. Think."


So...care to rectify the situation? Which are you?

Anonymous said...

What is becoming clear is the demographics of a growing number of aging Lonely Spinsters. Who are being abandoned by US Men. This last year has been an eye opener for me. I have met with 4 dozen Men who are Executives, Equity Fund Managers, Billionaires and many of them are now married to Foreign Women. After a Divorce to a US Woman. Several in their second decade of Marriage to a Foreign Woman.

What is clear is that contrary to what Robin articulates. And what the Demographic data is showing. Men of means anxious to adopt a mitigation strategy are refusing to Marry or cohabitate with American Women. Panic has not set in yet. But will soon.

I personally believe that Lawyers are pushing for Gay Marriage as a means to increase Fee incomes. As Straights are not Marrying as much as they used to.

My plans for participation include the formation of a 501 3-C Non profit Corporation. The business plan is already under development. Look for a launch in 2010. I have other business and political interests.

And plan on funding some Public Law Attorneys on major legal actions to attack Feminist Laws. That will be my contribution. My reasons my Six Grandsons.

Khankrumthebulgar

shatteredmen said...

Robin Steele said...
shatterman: You obviously don't read what I write. What's the point of responding to what you think I wrote?


Robin from your home page:

Angry Harry vs. Feministing Part 2

MRM Displays Power, Professionalism at Rally!

Robin, in just these two, you fail to understand the power the feminist propaganda machine has over the public. They also have a lot of tax payer money coming in to support this machine. I can not think of one MRA that is getting a dime of federal money. Oh sure, a couple of "Fathers" sites do get federal funding but if we look carefully at these sites, they are not really father friendly.

Robin, first impressions count and they count a lot. I contend that the first impression one would see when coming here is a site that is not friendly to men. Could this be why several of the radical MRA's have come here to contest this site? Perhaps you do not mean it to be that way, but step back and look at it from their point of view.

Anonymous said...

eMasculist said...

Khankrumthebulgar said "My interest is not in becoming a major Figure in the movement. My ego does not demand it. I am content to motivate other Men to become involved."
Khankrumthebulgar, how can we change your mind? You could lead the MRM to greatness! You are educated, worldly, sophisticated... like bob said, the tied has turned but we need your leadership!

Emasculist is bitch Steele. She has so much self esteem she even parodys herself faking MRA praise. And we're supposed to take her seriously?? Please. Im convulsing here.

Anonymous said...

Can Christ save "emasculist penis envy Steele"?

Hate leads straight to hell, and Robin Steele's "womenofsteele" blog is pure hate.

In order for Robin Steele to be saved she would have to renounce her hate, repend for her sins, and make restitution to those who she has harmed.

Don't look for emasculist penis envy Robin Steele to end her sins of hate any time soon. Christ can not save a misandrist feminist. Straight to hell is where she belongs.

Anonymous said...

Barfbitch Steele spewed:

"Women flock together. They are much more likely to belong to groups, to cooperate.","Women work together.","..they will all act together in unison.."

Then Julie commented:

"Guys this lady is playing you.

Robin, find something useful to do with your life. The goldfish need rights. Go after them.

You put something up from New Zealand. I hope I never meet you because I will flush your head in the toilet if I do.

You are sickening. Leave matters that you have no knowledge of well alone.

No, I think I will tie you to a pole naked with a sign, "I hate men because I can't get any."

Guys, This lady has no idea of what feminism is about.

Please guys stop giving her your attention. She has had more than enough of a chance to be real. But she isn't. She is bored and just wants to shit stir. If you ignore her she will find another group in the world to shit stir. And when they have had enough of her she will find another and another."

...............................

Yep..I can SEE that women work together and flock together in unison...

Anonymous said...

Phlegminazi Steele belched:

Anonymouse: Today, the men are making huge progress and the feminazi are running scared.

Bob: The tied is turning, and Ms. Stalin and her ilk are very worried.

Khankersore: the Feminists are getting very nervous.

It's easy to see why we're nervous. Such unity. Such power:

MRM Displays Power, Professionalism at Rally!



That's right, Steele. Keep repeating how you're not nervous just to keep showing that you ARE, you 2-year-old.

TimberWolf said...

The few who read and process the points I make in these posts would realize that I AM an MRA.

Read, people. Process. Think.


Wow. I don't think I've ever seen anybody else who has so willfully and consistently missed the point.

MGTOW stands for Men Going Their Own Way. It means that we try to live without scrimping and begging for the approval of women. It means that we are men on our own terms, and do not need the validation of women. It means that we define and control what masculinity is, not women. And it also means that we are MRAs on our own terms.

While you manage to give reasonably good advice, you still want to be willfully thick about the reality of the situation, a decidedly feminist trait.

Namely, by virtue of your gender, you have nothing to tell us within the context of the MRM, especially when you try to create a bizarre mash-up of feminist, and MRA. One cannot continue to exist in the presence of the other; they will destroy one another.

In sum: the MRM doesn't need you, and doesn't want you, because the MRM is not on your terms, it is on ours, to do with as we please, and that includes the right to change our minds about everything.

LukeSkywalker said...

MGTOW stands for Men Going Their Own Way. It means that we try to live without scrimping and begging for the approval of women. It means that we are men on our own terms, and do not need the validation of women. It means that we define and control what masculinity is, not women.

Not only not women, but not manginas, and not society, either.

Robin Steele said...

Shattered Men said Robin... you fail to understand the power the feminist propaganda machine has over the public.
The point of my posts is to show WHY they have that power, and show you HOW you could adopt those basic methods to further the cause of men's rights. However, most of these supposed "radical MRAs" don't seem interested in change, just whining and insulting, and listing a thousand excuses for their lack of action, effectiveness or progress.

You, SM, seem preoccupied with your powerlessness, Timidwolf, Factory and the Anonymi are happy beating their chest and sounding tough, and random capitalizer and master of the sentence fragment Khrankenbooger, as usual, is lost in the self-delusion that he is erudite, eloquent and respected.

shatteredmen, I apologize for the sarcastic tone I sometimes slip into when I'm being addressed as "cuntrag," "barfbitch," "fembitch," "Feminazi," and so on. Such eloquence takes my breath away, as does the intellect required to write "The tied has turned" with a straight face or to cite a multi-millionaire actor marrying a younger woman as proof the men's movement is working. Seriously.

Why is it that little old Robin Steele is sending shock waves through the websites where the whiny, lazy and delusional hang out and never challenge one another? Because Robin Steele's message is a serious threat that scares them to death.

That threatening message is: Maybe you should stop whining, complaining and throwing rocks like 2nd graders hiding behind the bushes and actually accomplish something.
- Set some goals.
- Establish spokespeople.
- Think before ranting.
- Work together.
- Raise some funds.
- Ban hatespeech and vulgarities so maybe people will actually listen.
- Use spellcheck and learn basic grammar so you'll appear to be educated

THAT's a frightening message... and extremely threatening to those who perpetually create excuses for their own lack of ambition... which is probably why they're alone and bitter in the first place.

Bob said...

It is only 1 week until International Marc Lepine Day.

If you MEN don't have your decorations up it's time to get going. Light the lights. Hang the banners. Wave the flags. The war against men is no longer just a one sided destruction with men being brutalized and destroyed. From December 6 onward, every feminist knows that her evil may be opposed, that she can not continue to dominate, suppress, and sweep men aside with impunity. On December 6 the tide of destruction began to turn. On December 6 Marc Lepine took up arms against the femiNazi onslaught and laid waste to feminists.

{Hoists a glass} Here is to Marc Lepine, MAN, hero, and martyr for the end of oppression.

Robin Steele said...

bob said: It is only 1 week until International Marc Lepine Day.
Mark Lepine... a mentally ill, maladjusted and tortured young man who took his own life after murdering 14 people. That grown men like Bob Allen and Masculist Man use this tragedy to try to offend compassionate human beings is simply, well, sad.

bob, your juvenile attempts to shock are about as effective as MikeeUSAs. Like most annoying children, you and Masculist Man will just be ignored like Angry Harry said you would. Whenever I feel myself getting angry, I just remember that bob penned that immortal MRA slogan "The Tied has Turned!" (which ranks up there with Masculist Man's immortal: "America Today, Tomarrow the World!") and I can't stay mad at them for long.

Bob said...

What Ms. Steelrrhoid fails to comprehend is that it's not up to the femiNazi to tell MEN what to do and say. The femiNazi have worked hard to dominate, control, and censor MEN for decades, and fembitches like Steelrrhoid still believe that MEN have to do what she tells us. But it's a whole new day. MEN no longer listen to evil fembitches. MEN say what we need to say about the evil that has spread such hate and destruction across our land.

The words MEN speak are not up to you, Steele. Deal with it.

Anonymous said...

Feminism is a Fraud. And Feminists are Cowards. Confronted with Real Oppression they are silent. And must rely on Men to do the heavy lifting.

This was posted by an authentic Feminist. Tammy Bruce who has blown the lid on the Psychotic Liars at NOW. Who she charges are Frauds.

Last Minute: On Fox by Phone at 9am PT re NOW's Abandonment of the British Teacher

That's in 4 minutes folks. They just called me about NOW's just released 'statement' about the British teacher in Sudan facing lashes and prison over her students naming a Teddy Bear "Muhammad." NOW's position? They're not taking one. That's right, they're not taking a stand. As you can imagine, I have plenty to say. It will be on the phone, and then I immediately start Tammy Radio.

Here is more coverage.

Sudan Charges British Teacher With Insulting Religion

KHARTOUM, Sudan — Sudan on Wednesday charged a British teacher with insulting religion and inciting hatred, a crime punishable by up to 40 lashes, six months in prison or a fine, after she named a class teddy bear "Muhammad."

The charges come a day after a 7-year-old Sudanese boy said Gilliam Gibbons, 54, asked him as part of a school assignment what he wanted to call the stuffed animal and he said, 'Muhammad,' after his name.

A spokeswoman for the National Organization for Women said the situation "is definintely on the radar, and N.O.W. is not ignoring it.

But she added that the U.S.-based organization is "not putting out a statement or taking a position."

Radio personality Tammy Bruce, former president of the Los Angles chapter of the National Organization for Women and past member of their board of directors, criticized the organization for not taking a stand.

“We have a duty to make a difference for women around the world,” Bruce told FOX News. “The supposed feminist establishment is refusing to take a position in this regard because they have no sensibility of what is right anymore. They're afraid of offending people. They are bound by political correctness.”

“The American feminist movement has not taken one stand to support the women of Iraq, the women of Afghanistan, the women of Iran,” she said. “It is the United States Marines who have been doing the feminist work by liberating women and children around the world.”

Bob said...

I have no problem with a female getting 40 lashes in Sudan. I would have even less of a problem if the fembitches at NOW got 40 lashes each for their misandrist attitude.

I have to wonder why an English female is working alone in Sudan anyway? Why isn't she at home being a good wife and mother? The 40 lashes will be good for her.

Anonymous said...

Why is it that little old Robin Steele is sending shock waves through the websites where the whiny, lazy and delusional hang out and never challenge one another? Because Robin Steele's message is a serious threat that scares them to death.

That threatening message is: Maybe you should stop whining, complaining and throwing rocks like 2nd graders hiding behind the bushes and actually accomplish something.
- Set some goals.
- Establish spokespeople.
- Think before ranting.
- Work together.
- Raise some funds.
- Ban hatespeech and vulgarities so maybe people will actually listen.
- Use spellcheck and learn basic grammar so you'll appear to be educated

THAT's a frightening message... and extremely threatening to those who perpetually create excuses for their own lack of ambition... which is probably why they're alone and bitter in the first place...



Bla bla bla bla...

Steele keeps faltering at an accelerating rate.

Keep dreaming and stuttering, Steele. It's all you've ever had.

*snicker*

Anonymous said...

"- Ban hatespeech and vulgarities so maybe people will actually listen."

No, that one doesn't work in mass media. You need to keep ... "expanding your programme" by continually being more extreme. Remeber: this isn't a forum of scientists or engineers, this is a forum of everyone.

The problem with MRAs (why they fail) is that they know NOTHING of propaganda, or they refuse to use it. All men who do use it get ostracized from the MRA groups.

When they stop kicking out their resident propagandists they might have a chance, untill then they'll continually fail. They'll be "nice guys" though. Wonderful!

Fidelbogen said...

"He allows no comments. He doesn't even link to MRA sites. . ."

There I would beg to differ. Angry Harry does in fact link to a number of such sites. Including my own.

mike savell said...

Angryharry links to loads of sites,whats the matter with you?.
I suppose RS wants to run the mens movement now does she?I don't even know what she believes in but I can
bet she's a red herring.

KellyMac said...

A comment from Percy:

Hello Robin.

My word, Missy, you are making waves in the MRM world.
Let's get a few things out of the way before I go to your Angry Harry objections.

The MRM is a broad movement with some fine, considered, erudite and intelligent writers and commentators and activists who like women, love one usually, are saddened by the hatred and hypocricy exhibited by Feminists generally and some in particular and the slow dismantling of many of the finer aspects of our civil intitutions, particularly the law, fair treatment for all, marriage and truth. Many of us have children and are very concerned for their future.

Some in the MRM though have grown up under the 'new matriarchy', educated from the cradle through a school life by women and are very angry and full of the 'feeling' they have been taught is their 'right' to express. Some of these are crude, rude and frankly uneducated - a result of that almost wholly female dominated education system, so replete as it is with 'empathy' and 'superior communication'.

The older, wiser members of the MRM are usually quick to denounce hatred whenever these boys get out of hand.

Now, regarding Angry Harry. Back in the early feminst days our society was 'privileged' with the toughts in writing of many, many hateful women spreading such bile that they became heroines of the movement. They called for men to be killed or at least maimed. Feminism bred the 'Scum Manifesto', which puts any MRM invective to shame.

They were awarded honorary Degrees for their viciousness. Greer even got a PhD and tenure for her fantasies and misandry. The arguement was that their anger had been repressed by the 'Patriarchy' for far too long and was exploding onto the world, to 'raise consciousness'.

Some who lived very high on the hog, even in mansions with servants and a husband bringing home a more than decent salary, like Dworkin, and working for the radical left, supported by foreign powers who were more than happy to see such bile spread about western men, had no basis in experience for their hatred. It was fantasy and neuroticism.

Yet here is AH who really has an earned and studied-for PhD lives in penury in a society that passes law after law to villify and demean men, strip them of their meagre 'wealth', deprive them even of contact with their children and treats men as the scum that the feminist manifesto wanted.

Yet you villify AH? How come he isn't a hero? How come there is no allowance for his expression of anger? What of the consciousness raising that he is doing?

The Feministing blog is a disgrace to women. It treats women as things to be mocked. It portrays women, ordinary everyday wives, mothers, sweethearts, daughters, as mindless bimbos who have no control over their lives, despite the mass of laws and social institutions that privilege them over men.

Now, Robin, you seem to me to be a bright woman. I have seen reference to some positive things that you have written. Use that mind of yours to tackle the real problem.

Robin Steele said...

KellyMac and/or Percy:
I appreciate the historic background, context-setting, etc.
You leave me once again perplexed: Did you even read the two posts contrasting AH and Feministing?
If so, how could you miss the point of it?
I'm seriously confused, Kelly and/or Percy. The point wasn't to vilify AH or praise the content of Feministing. It was a comparison of tactics and results.

I wrote in response to the MRA outcry of Feministing beating out AH in the blogger's choice awards. The MRAs were all up in arms with conspiracy theories, calling it rigged, spending their time retrieving the vote counts, etc. Much like all the time Luke and Counter Feminist spent recreating IMBRA references on my site to attack me.
To me, it was a great example of why the MRM - if it can even be called a movement - is so ineffective and why, until they realize it and decide to change - Feminists will continue to kick their asses and men's rights will stay where they are.
While they are chasing their tails and concocting conspiracy theories, they are missing the point: Feministing is a much more effective site than AH. It has 7X the traffic, provides revenue for its cause, and stimulates book sales and speaking engagements for its writers. I'm not saying its message is better, or good. My point is that instead of simply raging about FEMZILLA the Oppressor & conspiracy theories, they should be focusing on learning the techniques Feministing uses, and deploy them for the cause of fairness to men. In fact, I did the analysis for them, and pointed out things like professionalism, effective linking, particiapation and interaction, monetization, multiple writers, real names & credentials...
I am not criticizing AH for what he does - I'm criticizing MRAs for holding up his site as being even in the same league. AH should be seen for what it is: an amateur, personal site that is a mess, but contains a lot of good - albeit jumbled - links to news and commentary by one guy.

My point is that most of the "MRAs" I see on blogs and Forums spend all their time attacking FEMZILLA, conspiracy theories and reporting on how oppressed they are, and approximately ZERO time coming up with actionable solutions and anything resembling Activism.

I wish someone would attack and insult me for that - my real opinion - for a change. I get attacked for hating men and trying to defeat the MRM when I'm actually doing what they should be: pushing for real change instead of just talking about it.

Robin Steele said...

Fidelbogen said... "He allows no comments. He doesn't even link to MRA sites. . ."
There I would beg to differ. Angry Harry does in fact link to a number of such sites. Including my own.

mike savell said... Angryharry links to loads of sites,whats the matter with you?
Fidelbogen & Mike Savell are correct about their being links, but I had a hell of a time finding them. I don't think they were on the top page, certainly not anywhere prominent. Contrast that with Feministing where there are dozens of sites listed clearly from the home page. That creates a sense of a larger community... helps with SEO... and created goodwill with those other sites.
When women leave comments on there, they are also getting links to their personal blogs which helps with their traffic & SEO. They are rewarded for participating.

See my above comment to KellyMac. My point isn't to bash AH's site - it is what it is and it's pretty amazing for one guy to have produced. And I never claim he's a rabid woman-hater. But this shouldn't be what the MRM holds up as its representative blog.

The message that I intended MRAs to take away from those two posts was NOT: "Oh we should be ashamed that we're inferior" OR "Women are better than men." The point I'm making is that men should look at it and say: "If we're getting oppressed by Feminists, maybe its because they take their cause more seriously, they work at it harder and they demand a higher quality for their movement. Let's work harder than them, be more serious than them, and get outstanding results and REAL change."

In fact, I had considered bankrolling a men's site that would put Feministing to shame, but I have been so disappointed with the aversion to real action demonstrated by the supposed MRM that I'm not sure that enough men would be involved unless it was another gripe, complain and hate site. My checkbook's only halfway put away, however.

Gin said...

Men only face an imbalance---if you can call it that---because they don't shoulder their fair share of the work in a household. "The Second Shift" covered that quite well. Most divorces are handled between adults. The disputed ones often involve control freak men who don't want to let go because their pride is hurt.

Children don't need control freak fathers or abusers: they need good fathers. Sperm donors don't deserve the title.

Anonymous said...

Just like toddlers who cry when new siblings are born, some men today react with shock and anger when women of today are given access to resources once thought to "only mens".

Shocked at being forced to share, some men in reaction to equality, just like some toddlers in reaction to sharing parent attention with a new sibling, seem to be having difficulty adjusting and are going through a period of "acting out". See symptoms of
acting out here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acting_out
and for sibling rivalry here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sibling_rivalry

It's only natural to act out and try to defend as many resources as possible... "hands off my popcorn!!"..... but eventually, most children, as most men of today, usually come to accept the new reality.

After all, ACCEPTANCE is much easier than crying for the rest of their lives that "it's not fair" baby sister was born or that "woman" is deserving of resources too.

My advice to all the Angry Harry's out there: Practice acceptance. Your heart, your mental health and all other health risks attributed to anger will subside. And the sooner we can pool our skills together and get to work at constructing the new humanity of the future, the sooner we can reach Win: Win agreements.

Second suggestion: Go to the library, seriously, it's not a dig.. really go and read, read, read and read some more... read up on laws, immigration policy, medical policy, church and state. Then formulate an argument from a place of knowledge (it's WAY more effective).

Finally, I know sharing resources that you've come to believe "belong" to you hurts, but believe me, in the end, little sister may actually teach you a few things about humanity.

Good luck and God Bless,
Zizz

Anonymous said...

I see I'm a tad late here. But, I've read angry harry's site, and first let me say that, you copying him and making this a competition, kind of backs up his original point that women are creating a war against men. Secondly, I took one look at your links and knew without even clicking that they contained either, out and out lies, extreme exaggerations or complete delusions. Harry's site is better, because it contains truth. and the truth IS horrifying. I see what you women do to our men...it's abusive, it's theft, it's greed, it's deplorable. And I'm as tired of it as men are . I have no clue what I'm going to tell my 9 year old son...maybe I'll push him toward homosexuality!

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