In recent weeks, commenters on our blog who claim to be members of the MRM (Men's Rights Movement) have advocated violence against women, including rape of young girls.
Are their views shared by other members of the MRM, or are these the views of an isolated group of individuals? We invite MRM members to participate in our poll (in the right sidebar) and by leaving a comment (below).
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Wheres the results from the last poll?
Once again Robin misstates the views of those who oppose feminism. He sets up a phony strawman to knowck down. I have never seen a Men's Rights Activist who advocates raping young girls, and I seriously doubt they exist. Some Men's Rights Activists advocate fighting back against FEMINISTS which is not the same as advocating violence against women -- and Steele knows it. Feminists are a bigoted misandrist activist group, and not identical with "women" by a very long way.
Lies and falsehoods do not make for a rational discussion.
Wheres the results from the last poll?
At the bottom of the home page.
Once again Robin misstates the views of those who oppose feminism.
This is your opportunity to state your views accurately, in your own words.
I have never seen a Men's Rights Activist who advocates raping young girls...
See the post "Women & Little Girls Like Getting Raped" with links to Bob Allen's site. MikeeUSA does also. The views on their sites might not be shared by other MRAs... that's why I'm asking.
Could the Bible be considered an MRM in this respect?
Nice attempt at division, Robin, but a few nasty comments left on MRM blogs by uncredited sources does not constitute an immoral movement.
So your plan didnt work as the votes were in favour of bob allen lmfao. Its funny how you are trying your hardest to shame and incriminate men yet you refuse to display the real, proven actual acts of legislation that feminazis have passed through congress i.e. vawa.
Feminazis are anti family and you will see even women will suffer bias just as men do once all families only consist of women and children, as feminazis will then appeal to children to divorce their mothers and rely on the state, just like now with men and women.
You made your bed women, now watch as the marriage strike takes effect and us men can turn away from you just like you were happy to do with us and use laws against us.
...a few nasty comments left on MRM blogs by uncredited sources does not constitute an immoral movement.
I agree. That's why I've done numerous posts & text excerpts with links to the original posts.
I also don't believe that Bob Allen's advocacy of violence against women and police and Bob & Mike's pro-rape stance necessarily reflects on the MRM. Hence the poll on the top page asking what most MRAs feel about violence. It's not a "tactic," it's an opportunity to clarify whether MRM members are pro-violence.
...trying your hardest to shame and incriminate men...
I am an advocate against hatred and violence against men OR women. I'm not a great target as a "feminazi" because I believe that fathers and mothers should have equal parental rights and responsibilities, and I have seen unjust application of parental rights decisions against men. Sorry.
I am dismayed that you do fathers a disservice by discrediting your own credibility by defending the hatespeech and pro-violence rhetoric of Bob Allen, MikeeUSA and a few others. If you embrace their positions that raping and murdering are acceptable, then you are just a fringe group that will go the way of the KKK. If you are legitimate people with legitimate points, you will get these psychopaths to stop identifying themselves with your movement, stop linking to them and publicly denounce their malicious and destructive rhetoric.
Robin,
You are so full of shit. YOU ARE A FEMINIST. YOU LINK TO FEMINIST SITES AND SOME OF THEM ADVOCATE MISANDRIC VIOLENCE. Stop being a hyprocrite.
"stop linking to them and publicly denounce their malicious and destructive rhetoric."
Are you calling them liars? If they are using rhetoric then what they write is only a tool of propaganda to achive another goal. I've seen alot of MRAs lately posting in opposition to women's right to vote. That NEVER happened before Bob, MascMan, Mike, and a few others started posting extreme violent posts on their websites. There seems to be a heating effect going on there, the opposite of a chilling effect.
eMasc Man said: YOU LINK TO FEMINIST SITES AND SOME OF THEM ADVOCATE MISANDRIC VIOLENCE.
I also link to your site. That doesn't mean I'm a proponent of inbreeding.
Anon said I've seen alot of MRAs lately posting in opposition to women's right to vote. That NEVER happened before Bob, MascMan, Mike, and a few others started posting extreme violent posts on their websites.
If this counts as a victory for your cause, the feminists have nothing to worry about.
I wouldn't be braggin on Bob. Word on the street is that he's a she.
"I wouldn't be braggin on Bob. Word on the street is that he's a she."
Word that you have fabricated and faggots have trumpeted.
"If this counts as a victory for your cause, the feminists have nothing to worry about."
The moderates in the "Men's Movement" being against women's vote is a victory. The moderates are normal, somewhat emasculated men. Your anger reveals your concern.
The answer is 'Not a one'.
I am not even convinced that some of these 'MRM' and 'MRA' are legitimate.
It is a simple matter to create an Alt Blog Persona and then run a black bag psy ops campaign against whomever you wish.
On all of the forums I have ever been on, opinions such as those you take issue with are dealt with by an immediate banning.
That would include the several I admin and am a member of.
But who am I kidding?
You are not interested in a good faith query -
Your only aim and goal is to shut down the MRM and lie, slander and libel us.
Likely you are trolling for IP addresses to attack.
Lee
"On all of the forums I have ever been on, opinions such as those you take issue with are dealt with by an immediate banning."
That's because you're a piece of shit. Let's just face the facts.
You support marital rape laws, support domestic violence laws, support divorce laws. All the things the majority of, men are getting screwed via.
I mean, comeon, let's be honest here.
I don't think I'm going too far out on a limb by simply stating these facts.
Lee says: On all of the forums I have ever been on, opinions such as those you take issue with are dealt with by an immediate banning. That would include the several I admin and am a member of. But who am I kidding? You are not interested in a good faith query -
I'm normally get accused of censorship and attacking free speech. Now I get criticized by MRAs for NOT deleting their comments and banning their haters? Make up your mind, boys. You guys can't unite on a single point. Does the typical MRA member advocate violence and justify rape? Simple question.
Just a hint: most "movements" actually have a set of beliefs and guidelines and can answer a simple question like this without hesitation.
Robin: you are dumping two dissimilar groups of people into the same movement: the fuckers-and-chuckers and the keep-girl-forever...ers
The FnCs hate the KGFs, if you will. Their ideas are almost diametrically opposed in the domestic realm. The ONLY thing they agree with is... well that they're both Men... and the chuckers don't consider the keepers to be REAL MEN. (Sorry for the lame tags, I'm writing this off the cuff).
Lee and friends want to fuck and chuck to their hearts content. They oppose the men that want virgin girl to get married to whoever they had sex with first (it would ruin their fun). Imagine if they had to keep what they had relations with... the food and some clothing costs... man that would really eat into the beer and drugs money... and if the girl had children for them... my GOD how TERRIBLE AND EXPENSIVE that would be if the girl wasn't allowed to leave them (and they weren't allowed to just throw her in the trashbin of society).
Who do you think voted for the 19th ammendment in hopes that women would then be more able to make choices, be independent minded, etc (and thus beable to choose to be whores)?
Ms. Steal confuses "violence against women" with resistance to the very violent feminist war against men. Killing a feminist in self defense is to wage war against feminism. No significant religious moral code objects to killing enemies in a war. The feminists started the very violent war against men, and the time for men fighting back against the violent destructive femiNazi onslaught is long overdue.
Victory to the free men.
...the very violent feminist war against men. Killing a feminist in self defense is to wage war against feminism. No significant religious moral code objects to killing enemies in a war.
Friend: Son of Sam was just as convinced that God was talking to him through his dog. Talk to sane people: there is no violent feminist war. It's in your head. Get some help.
Still taking your pills to control your mental problems Steele?
It doesn't sound like it. Better take you pill.
there is no violent feminist war. It's in your head.
So the phiolosophy of Andrea Dworkin who favored killing men and shoving apples in their mouths is "just in our heads." So the philosophy of Mary Koss to reduce the male population to 10% is "just in our heads." So the SCUM manifesto that feminists put into practice are "just in our heads." So the misandric law system,from family to criminal courts,in "just in our heads."
Somehow I just don't buy that.
there is no violent feminist war. It's in your head. So the phiolosophy of Andrea Dworkin who favored killing men and shoving apples in their mouths is "just in our heads." So the philosophy of Mary Koss to reduce the male population to 10% is "just in our heads."
Mr. Masculist Man: I'm not familiar with Andrea Dworkin or Mary Koss, but if they said those despicable things they need to open their hearts and stop hating. However, the hateful words of a couple of individuals do not constitute a "violent feminist war," just as the hateful words of a handful of bitter men on the Internet don't constitute a "movement."
Please stop steering these young men to hate and violence. That can only lead to unhappiness for all involved. I am praying for you, Mr. Masculist Man.
I've been active in gender politics for 30 years. Most of my work has been on the problems of lone fathers, male sex crime survivors and men hurt by women.
There are bigots in the MRM, there are bigots in feminism. The ONLY difference is the men get called out for their bigotry and the women get praised for their 'deep' thinking.
Bigotry will not solve our gender problems. Neither misandry nor misogyny will solve our gender problems. One does not solve problems by praising bigotry, there's a message i wish the feminists could hear!
BTW: I've never even heard of the men you speak of.
JW said: Bigotry will not solve our gender problems. Neither misandry nor misogyny will solve our gender problems. One does not solve problems by praising bigotry...
I agree JW. Those who engage in bigotry are not truly working for change - they dehumanize a group to justify their hate and aggression. As you seem to be involved with legitimate gender advocacy, I'm not surprised you don't know him.
"I'm not familiar with Andrea Dworkin or Mary Koss," Steele.
Another classic example of "Those Feminists Over There." Its standard feminist denial. They all go wishy washy and deny feminism by blaming "Those Feminists Over There." It's a load of sowshit. There are no "Feminists Over There." A feminist is a feminist is a feminist. Whether or not she read the rantings of all the famlus leaders of feminism, all feminists support the values and hate of feminism. Steele's blog, for example, is nothing but feminist lies and hate. A feminist is a feminist.
If you're anti-hate, why do you hate Christianity so much? (I'm not talking about Catholicism, that's different.)
Why do you hate men?
Feminism is very anti-woman...feminists hate real women!
Alexandra said.."...Christianity so much? (I'm not talking about Catholicism, that's different."
Since about 80% of the Christians world wide are Catholic, how do you figure that Catholicism is "different" from Christian?
A feminist is a feminist is a feminist.
Exactly.
Every time I restart my computer I am allowed to vote again. These results are clearly manipulated.
This poll is total nonsense.
MRAs do not promote rape and violence.
MikeeUSA is banned at many MRA-sites for his statements, btw.
It should be noticed, that literature produced by leading feminists is full with men-hating slogans and nobody says even one word about it.
Double standard...
Yohan said...
Every time I restart my computer I am allowed to vote again. These results are clearly manipulated.
This poll is total nonsense.
It should be noticed, that literature produced by leading feminists is full with men-hating slogans and nobody says even one word about it.
Double standard...
Yohan, if most of the MRA's did not ban those who say we should kill feminist, we would be no better then the feminist you say do not police their own.
Many men and women ARE speaking out about this double standard and yes there is one.
When we can have women study courses in every college literally teaching misandry there is a problem. When someone like Mary Daly could keep men out of all her course for over 25 years there is a problem.
Daly would not let men in her class for 25 YEARS. Let a man try
that and see how far he would get. When she was ordered to allow a
man into her class, she resigned rather then do so.
http://www.deltabravo.net/custody/daly.php
Radical feminist theologian and author Mary Daly has barred men from
her classes at Boston College for 25 years, saying that "the dynamic
is totally interrupted" with males in the classroom. Now, her job at
the Catholic institution is in question. When senior Duane Naquin
complained of discrimination, she was ordered to let him into her
feminist ethics class. In response, Daly, 70, says she asked for a
paid leave of absence; the college maintains that she retired. Last
week, a judge ruled that catalogs may be issued that omit her
classes. Daly, who offers to teach men privately, will continue her
effort to resist a forced retirement.
Sally Miller Gearhart's comments that men ought to be reduced to 10%
of the human population. Mary Daly applauds the idea.
WIE: Which brings us to another question I wanted to ask you. Sally
Miller Gearhart, in her article "The Future—If There Is One—Is
Female" writes: "At least three further requirements supplement the
strategies of environmentalists if we were to create and preserve a
less violent world. 1) Every culture must begin to affirm the female
future. 2) Species responsibility must be returned to women in every
culture. 3) The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained
at approximately ten percent of the human race." What do you think
about this statement?
MD: I think it's not a bad idea at all. If life is to survive on
this planet, there must be a decontamination of the Earth. I think
this will be accompanied by an evolutionary process that will result
in a drastic reduction of the population of males. People are afraid
to say that kind of stuff anymore.
http://www.wie.org/j16/daly.asp?page=3
Personally, I think she should be charged with hate crimes!
Worse yet, when she agreed that the male population should be brought down to 10% of the total population and nothing was said about it, there is a problem
BUT....is this any different they someone on our side saying all feminist should be killed?
Please know that I do agree with much of what Mike says on his blog..but I CAN NOT go along with the violence part.
Shattered Men is exposing this double standard as are many others such as Media Radar, Chuck Corry and domestic violence against men in Colorado but so are many women. Cathy Young, Trudy Schuett, The Independent Women's forum who spent a lot of money on a full page antifeminist ad exposing the feminist myths
Independent Women's Forum - One in Four? Rape myths do injustice, too.
www.iwf.org/news/show/19076.html
Check their website....iwf.org and use their site search engine for various topics. They did a very good research paper on domestic violence and also on the so called pay gap myth.
We also have dozens of women in Shattered Men who are very much anti-feminist....including the one that some of those right here in this blog knew was a real rape victim yet posted her home phone number in their groups and said lets get her.
My friend....things like this will not help our cause...but it sure will give fuel to the radical feminist. We can NOT afford that!
Now as for Robin. She has simply posted what some of these others have said. I have seen them say it in their own groups. Robin did not make it up. I asked her about the SCUM Manifesto and she gave an answer I accept. I am sure now that she knows about it she will not tolerate that aspect of feminist either. From all I see, she wants to stop ALL the violence...not just that against women. I do believe Robin was ignorant of what is really happening with things like the VAWA but we will not do anyone any good by coming to her blog like gang busters ready to accuse her of being radical feminist and then have her see these things like...kill a feminist today.
When we meet men and women like Robin...we need to EDUCATE them and show them where the double standards exist and we will gain friends....not make more enemies.
Yohan said... Every time I restart my computer I am allowed to vote again. These results are clearly manipulated.
This poll is total nonsense.
If the poll can be manipulated by restarting your computer, voting, then restarting your computer and voting again, the poll may be total nonsense in indicating that many MRAs believe in violence. If that happened, the poll proves that there are many trying to portray MRAs as violent. Some could be fringe haters like Mikee, Bob Allen, Masculist Male trying to make their views seem mainstream MRM. Or it could be distortions caused by Anti-MRAs trying to discredit this movement.
Either way, the perception is being promoted and MRM would be wise to 1) be outspoken and clear that MRAs do not promote violence, rape, underage "marriage" and pedophilia and 2) stop tolerating guys like Bob Allen and others who do promote these views. Mainstream MRM views will never have moral credibility while you use pseudonyms and pal around online with guys you'd never leave your kids with.
MRAs do not promote rape and violence. Read my posts on Bob Allen. He's linked to by most MRM sites, so that's the perception.
MikeeUSA is banned at many MRA-sites for his statements, btw. He's a staple on many MRA blogrolls
...literature produced by leading feminists is full with men-hating slogans and nobody says even one word about it...
I am not a "leading feminist" and have posted no men-hating slogans. Shouldn't I be praised for this? Given positive reinforcement? Read through the comments on this site and you'll see many, many women-hating messages. Isn't this an opportunity for you to reject this as non-MRA hatespeech?
MRAs and WRAs who truly want change will be rejecting the most radical, hateful members on their own side. Change can only come with the cooperation from both sides, and from the center, not the extremes.
Those who are fighting to preserve hate and violence are not interested in peace or progress. They are counting on you to mistake their rage for strength, and their hate for righteous indignation.
It's less than 3 weeks until December 6th, which as everyone knows is International Marc Lepine Day
It's time to celebrate the first man who had the courage to stand up against the violent feminist war on men and begin shooting back. He took out a couple of dozen feminists before he fell. May he be long be remembered as a martyr and hero of all men.
Its time to be putting up your decorations, hanging the lights, and sending out the party invitations. Hooray for St. Marc!
Stalin squealed, "Either way, the perception is being promoted and MRM would be wise to 1) be outspoken and clear that MRAs do not promote violence, rape, underage "marriage" and pedophilia and 2) stop tolerating guys like Bob Allen and others who do promote these views.
IOW: Stalin want's men to advocate for feminist goals, programs and objectives.
If wishes were horses beggars would ride.
Not in your wildest dreams, sow.
And, BTW: None of those views are promoted by those you named, even though what you accuse is refusing to comply with feminist programs and hate.
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