December 6 marks the 18th anniversary of "the Montreal Massacre," the day a heavily armed and mentally ill young man murdered fourteen women and wounded ten women and four men at the École Polytechnique, an engineering school affiliated with the Université de Montréal.According to reports, Lépine had been quiet, shy, ill at ease around women, and had no known girlfriends. He tended to boss women around and show off his knowledge in front of them. He spoke out to others about his dislike of feminists, career women and women in traditionally male occupations, such as the police force.
The Montreal Massacre became a catalyst for both pro-feminist and pro-gun control issues in Canada, and is credited with the Canadian ban on assault-type weapons. Rumors have persisted that Lepine may actually have been a conflicted homosexual, a fact suppressed by those who wanted to use Lepine as an example of male violence against women.
On a recent Robine Steele post about Marc Lepine, an Anonymous visitor left a comment that seemed to back up these earlier rumors:
I grew up with Marc Lepine. The real story that's been hushed up is that he was gay. Those who knew him and his family were well aware of this, and we told reporters at the time and later. For political reasons, both sides suppressed this fact. The feminists didn't want this coming out because it muddied their domestic violence agenda. Men's right's advocates and anti-feminists didn't (and don't) want to admit their poster boy and hero was a latent homosexual, as many of them are. This is really a Gay Rights issue that's been effectively closeted.
This commenters statement is unconfirmed, as are the many rumors that have circulated ever since the terrible tragedy occurred, that Marc Lepine's rampage was set in motion after he was rebuffed by a male lover who had decided to reunite with his girlfriend. His suicide note had reportedly included this admission in French, but was edited from the public version, perhaps by a translator.
What do you think? Was Marc Lepine gay? Would it have mattered?
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It's not december 6th yet. Dec 6 is International Marc Lepine day, not Nov 29th.
It is less than 1 week until
International Marc Lepine Day
If you MEN don't have your decorations up it's time to get going. Light the lights. Hang the banners. Wave the flags. The war against men is no longer just a one sided destruction with men being brutalized and destroyed. From December 6 onward, every feminist knows that her evil may be opposed, that she can not continue to dominate, suppress, and sweep men aside with impunity. On December 6 the tide of destruction began to turn. On December 6 Marc Lepine took up arms against the femiNazi onslaught and laid waste to feminists.
It is so good to see that Ms. Steele put up a poster of Marc Lepine to celebrate International Marc Lepine Day
{Hoists a glass} Here is to Marc Lepine, hero, martyr for the end of oppression and real MAN.
Where was Marc Lepine raised? Answer in an Islamic Country Algeria. Moslem Men are not willing to be abused by Feminists.
They are calling for today the Execution of the British Teacher found guilty to slandering Islam in the Sudan. Feminists have been quiet over the Real Oppression of Women.
And look to American and Western Men to protect them from the Religion of Peace. Lepine refused to be subjugated by the Gender Feminists in Canada. And wanted revenge for his mistreatment at their hands.
Hate bounces. There was a male Nurse. Who went to college and was similarly abused. Made fun of, he too took out his frustrations on Women. The Virgina Tech shooter who was on anti-depressant drugs and was abused by Feminists there. Took out his rage on Students before taking his own life.
Not all Males are willing to be abused and not get even. Bullying is a common issue with Males who lash back.
Marc Lepine was emotionally and physically damaged by his FATHER, who was a misogynistic asshole. Lepine changed his last name so he wouldn't share the name of his FATHER.
He was too damaged to even follow through on his plan to kill feminists so he just killed women at random and shot men as well.
The massacre served as an catalyst to boost both gun control and the feminist agenda in Canada. It is Feminists and Gun control advocates who should be thanking Marc Lepine, not MRAs.
Note to anonymous:
It is a shame that Marc Lepine was so damaged by his feminazi mother that he suffered from PAS and was estranged from his father. However he retained enough of his father's teaching that he would not submit to continued female abuse at Ecol Polytechnic
And you are also right that the feminists should celebrate. Many of them were saved from a lifetime of hate and failure as women. Now they are at peace.
I grew up with Marc Lepine. The real story that's been hushed up is that he was gay. Those who knew him and the family knew this. The feminists didn't want this coming out because it muddied their domestic violence agenda. Men's right's advocates and women-haters don't want to admit their poster boy was a fag.
I grew up with Marc Lepine. The real story that's been hushed up is that he was gay. Those who knew him and his family were well aware of this, and we told reporters at the time and later. For political reasons, both sides suppressed this fact. The feminists didn't want this coming out because it muddied their domestic violence agenda. Men's right's advocates and anti-feminists didn't (and don't) want to admit their poster boy and hero was a latent homosexual, as many of them are.
This is really a Gay Rights issue that's been effectively closeted.
If it is true that Lepine was Gay. It would complicate an already Politically Charged scenario. That he may have been frustrated by the Hatred of Females if he was Gay would be an interesting spin on the Story. Feminists barely tolerate Gay Men. Barely. Who they see as useless and of even less worth than Straight Men.
If you find Spinbusters. You may read the link Flowers for Robert. It is about Robert Flores a male Nursing student abused by his Feminists Professors at the University of AZ. He took revenge and shot three of them dead. An excerpt. Women think they can throw matches in a room when gasoline has been poured on the floor without getting burned. Think Again.
There is a country cornfield full of Robert Flores� running around America these dark days. Millions of �em, believe it or not. Many of them are the direct products of American matriarchy, of a country that increasingly treats its women like princesses, and its men like swine. They are mainstream, normal folks, who have been trod on, unrighteously, mucho mucho times, and I am here to inform you � officially � that they are dangerously short on patience and leash, and long on ammo.
Think you could never reach ole Roberto�s first-launch stage?
Maybe you�re just more submissive than a dead man.
Like Flores, I sent letters to the media, warning of the inevitable consequences of maintaining an ongoing cultural policy of male-hating. Like Flores, and Mark Lepine before him, I have experienced the second-class citizenship that accompanies masculinity in the new, improved West. Ten years ago, I wrote at length to the Regents of the University of California, advising them that their system had degenerated into �identity spoils� fiefdoms -- ideological concentration camps where masculinity itself was reviled and crushed.
Never heard a word back, didn�t expect one.
Therefore heed again the rude word of Robert Flores: �The University is filled with too many people who are filled with hubris. They feel untouchable. . . the only force that seems to get any attention from the University is economic force.�
As you read Flores� words, ask yourself this question: Why would the dead lie?
�What I discovered was that being a male and a nontraditional student and (shudder!), assertive was not compatible with the instructors at the College of Nursing. While the college does maintain a small minority student body it is primarily white women from upper middle class backgrounds between the ages of 20 and 25. The college promotes and desires diversity but they only want their approved diversity and no other. In many way male nursing students are �tokens�.
Hey, you wanna try and convince me that Flores was crazy?
Convince yourself. I�ve worked with people so psychotic that the very smell of them raises the hair on your arms.
Nupe. This guy was lucid. Weak, but lucid, and too sane for his own good. For example, he was sharp enough to intuit, and record, which demographic group bloated itself for three decades on the blood of men: spoiled, white, middle-class girls . . . uh, �women,� who upon abandoning merit, snatched millions of jobs and education slots away from males. Our Bob, for all his �psychopathology,� saw right through the �Animal Farm� version of �diversity� which has ruled American campuses and culture for four decades.
Real psychotics, me droogies, aren�t typically insightful, especially concerning conditioned cultural norms. They steer toward the harbors of ritual.
Flores was aware enough of his circumstances to comprehend that his nation had betrayed him, pumped him full of toxic chemicals, then cut him loose in the gyneocracy with the mark of the goat on his forehead.
After each schoolyard slaying, I tend to blather repeatedly that the common theme in �rampage-killings� is the disaffection of �males� with a thoroughly feminized American society. Unlike Flores, my letters are almost never published.
If he�d written his while alive, his wouldn�t have been, either.
Uh oh.
Robin: You've got some problems here, why would you throw gas on the fire?
The only men who celebrate Marc Lepine do so in protest of the 'all men are Marc Lepine' viewpoint which is so common, so hateful and so very dangerous. Moreover, MRA's don't treat him as a hero, the is hate.
Here's the thing, I don't care if the man was gay or whatever. I do care that we do not find and help hurting men. Instead of kindness and love, we throw around contempt. That only makes the problems worse.
You talk of love and ending the violence. Well, to use love and to end the violence we need to USE LOVE!
There is no love in your posting. There's no attempt to see why some men hurt so bad. There is only more of the same old same old that CAUSES the problem!
Today is the Sunday before the feast of the Immaculate Conception, a day to think of the love of Christ. What would Christ think of this situation? How would our Lord handle it?
Hi Robin,
Thanks for visiting my blog.
I wonder if you would like to visit again and continue discussing your aims?
http://exposingfeminism.wordpress.com
Best regards,
E F
JW said: I don't mean this sarastically when I say that I can't figure out why you - like just about every other commenter - deliberately misrepresents and/or misinterpretes what I write, or whether you just glance over the words and make quick inferences. It's frustrating because instead of discussing real issues we spend 80% of the time clarifying and correcting.
"There's no attempt to see why some men hurt so bad." Huh? What drove Marc Lepine to such a desperate act is the subject of post, is it not?
"There is no love in your posting." I feel compassion both toward the tortured, desperate young man and his innocent victims. Where do you get this? Why do you misrepresent my words and intent?
"... why would you throw gas on the fire?"
How is asking a question - and providing a forum for viewpoints such as yours - throwing gas on the fire?
"MRA's don't treat him as a hero"
Some do. Perhaps many do. At Chris Key's men's rights forum Masculist Man uses Lepine as his avatar and many MRAs have complimented him on it. Bob Allen openly celebrates Marc Lepine as a hero (see above). Has MM been excluded from the Men's Rights forum - which has banned feminists - for his pro-violence stance? Have MRAs stopped linking to Bob's blog? Some MRAs DO see Lepine as a hero.
"What would Christ think of this situation? How would our Lord handle it?"
We are mortals, not God, so the correct question is, how would the Lord want US to handle it. My belief is that He wants us to seek the truth, to expose the lies of hate and divisiveness, and to preach his message of peace even when it is uncomfortable or unpopular to do so.
I have provided answers your questions. I look forward to hearing your answers to mine.
We're obviously having a communication problem. I don't know if it is fixable, but I'll try.
I read your post and saw ONLY the words used and the apparent attitude behind the words. I made an assumption based on what I saw. Robin, I read this article and saw no compassion and no attempt to understand the background.
We have a HUGE problem with men feeling blamed and shamed for what one man did. It's like as if an entire society blamed women for the women who torture boys to death. Such women are a LOT more common than Lepines, but nothing ... There's silence in society. OK? I FEEL, I feel that the words you used are just another attempt to put all of the blame and shame for Lepine onto all males. I've seen that so VERY many times and felt that so VERY many times and still nothing changes. I would never put the blame for women who torture boys to death on all women: I EXPECT the same consideration back and just plain cannot get that!
I did not deliberately misrepresent your words. YOU failed to take into account HOW a man would read those words! Here's the thing, communication is a two way street. It is not all me extending my mind to you you too must extend your mind.
No, I saw little about why Lepine did what he did and much about putting the blame onto every male. I saw NOTHING about reaching out to the hurting male, which is the most important part of stopping such things.
Robin: I don't know you well enough to read your mind: I must read only the words. I have no body language cues to pick up your emotions, I have only the words. The words are just another anti-male rant, less sexist than some and more than others.
I have MANY forums, forums MUCH bigger than this. I come here because I am VERY interested in all gender issues and because YOU may be savable. I need no other forum. If I wanted a bigger forum I'd return to publishing in major magazines.
Remember what I said about reading the words? I have ONLY the words from which to judge.
Some MRA's do celebrate Lepine as a PROTEST over the sexism dumped onto all males. MANY feminists believe that the solution to our gender problems is to kill all the males: There's no protest in that, they honestly believe it. So?
I agree that Christ would want us to uncover the lies and hate. That will include our own most of all! To have peace we must be willing to see the OTHER as our equal while seeing them as other. We must have the Golden Rule: Treating others as we would be treated.
I know in coming to your blog that there will be blame and shame dumped onto men without hearing WHY the men are upset. sigh I've talked this sort of thing over with my wife and still cannot find a way to get so many people to stop telling and start listening: My wife being a farm girl through and through just says "Let me punch them hard on the nose." She's in earnest too. I do not agree with her methods, but I do agree with the sentiment that something major has to change to get people to listen AND understand.
JW said:
"We're obviously having a communication problem. I don't know if it is fixable, but I'll try."
JW, unfortunately, you can't communicate with a seriously mentally deranged reject like Steele. She has been so pitifully neglected all her years she has become a permanent fixture at Bellevue. But the doctors are in fact being too accomodating; they flat out refuse to remove her toy computer from her room.
Before the slaughter, Lepine objectified the women as "feminists", and none of the women rebuked him before he shot them one by one.
The very last woman was Maryse Leclair, and when she begged him to help her, he pulled out his hunting knife, and stabbed her in the heart three times.
Then upon realizing that the police would now be entering the building soon, he quietly said "ah merde!" and took his jacket off to wrap around his rifle and shoot himself in the head.
As he lay there dead, his voice was silenced.
And all those years of abuse by his father meted upon both his mother and himself died with him.
Remember this:
1.Marc Lépine/Gamil Gharbi frequently saw his father beat his mother.
2. Lepine's mother was French-Canadian.
3. When Lepine/Gharbi entered the classroom, he fired 2 shots of his low powered small calibre rifle into the ceiling. He then ordered all the men in the room to leave, to which they meekly complied. The young women were then left alone in the classroom with Lepine. He shouted "you're all a bunch of fucking feminists!" and started shooting.
Just consider that last point a while: The men all walked away. They abandoned the women. This was an abdication of the most fundimental value of manhood, to protect the women & children. If, instead of walking out the door, the men had rushed Lapine, throwing books & desks at him, and tackled him to the ground, he would have had time to get off maybe one more shot. And we would be remembering one brave hero instead of 14 dead women.
Ah, des hommes de Quebecois sont émasculés par la révolution Tranquille, non?
i'm really weirded out by a lot of the posts to this. i find the term 'feminazi' quite hilarious. i am a feminist and i love men. they're great. most of my friends are men. all i want is to be able to go to school and have a job. don't see how there's any problem in that. if you want a little housewife, i'm sure there is a woman out there who is totally into that as well. the great thing about feminism is that it means that women can choose what they want to do. anywho, life's too short for such hatred. just enjoy it! it's actually a lot of fun.
i don't blame all men for marc lepine's idiotic and psychotic actions. far from it. i do think it's important to consider violence against women as an issue, however. i mean, any violence is an issue, but a hate crime, in which an act of violence is committed against one type of person for the type of person they are and have no control over, that is very scary. there is nothing wrong with raising awareness about that, and i have never, ever thought of dec 6th as a day on which to blame men for all their 'evils.' i have never thought of it like that at all; i only think of it as a time to stand together, men and women, against hate crimes, particularly on this day against women.
'A little housewife',how vile.A woman cannot choose to stay at home and raise their children without being dismissed as 'a little housewife'?I don't care about Lepine at all,eff him and I hope he is burning in hell.Same with those that scoff at what he has done.He and he alone shoulders the guilt for his monstrous deed.God Bless all of those innocent women that died and those that were wounded(both physically and mentally)as well as their family and friends.A pox on all those that have turned this awful event into a way to forward their own agendas.A crying shame all those men left that room.I don't know how they can live with themselves.
This commenters statement is unconfirmed, as are the many rumors that have circulated ever since the terrible tragedy occurred,
Rumors have persisted that Lepine may actually have been a conflicted homosexual, a fact suppressed by those who wanted to use Lepine as an example of male violence against women.
Rumors have persisted that Lepine may actually have been a conflicted homosexual, a fact suppressed by those who wanted to use Lepine as an example of male violence against women.
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